Yani Tseng fires caddie

[TN94z]

Yani Tseng is dominating the LPGA tour and has a comfortable lead over 2nd place.  She has been all but unstoppable the past two years.   She ended up with a T59 and a missed cut in the last two majors.  So she decides that she and her caddie need a break and let's him go.

When asked for comment by Golf Digest Woman, Tseng's manager Erine Huang said

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"Yani told Jason that she would like to have a break. She is looking for someone, preferably from the PGA Tour or Champion Tour to caddie for next tournament at Evian and see how it goes. She knows there are some great caddies on the LPGA but she doesn't like to recruit someone away from her fellow LPGA players."

Hamilton's comment was;

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"I wasn't surprised at all things have been weird for four or five weeks."

That seems a bit drastic in my opinion.  I guess it's hard to determine without being one of the two.  If you just aren't on the same page, then I guess you should resolve it as soon as possible.

What do you guys think? Was this a bit quick after doing so well together the past 2 years?  It sounds like the thought had been playing out in Tseng's mind for a little while judging by Hamilton's comment.

[Mr3Wiggle]

I guess she can't fire herself.  Seems crappy, but I guess she felt change was needed to get out of her "funk".

[MSchott]

Not drastic at all. Caddies get replaced all the time.

[iacas]

Caddies are fired about as often as pros change their putters, so no surprise.

[TN94z]

Is it just that the caddies don't know what they are doing, or they just don't "mesh" with the player?

[newtogolf]

I think a big part of it is chemistry.  It seems Phil depends heavily on advice from Bones so there needs to be a trust on the golfers part that the caddie is doing their job and knows the course and how their golfer is playing to make the right call on club and shot selection.   When things go bad on the course, the relationship between golfer and caddie must get strained to the point where change becomes the only option.

Originally Posted by TN94z

Is it just that the caddies don't know what they are doing, or they just don't "mesh" with the player?

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by TN94z

Is it just that the caddies don't know what they are doing, or they just don't "mesh" with the player?

If a guy doesn`t know what he is doing, I doubt he would last two weeks, so I would go with the mesh/chemistry angle.  With that said, it is also about being properly prepared all the time.  If a guy who was doing a good job for a while makes some major mistakes (like too many clubs in the bag, not have the right yardage, not having enough balls, etc.) then his life expectancy goes way down.

[GaijinGolfer]

Desperation is setting in for Yani.

[JetFan1983]

Always blame the caddy. I'm pretty sure Gary Gilchrist is screwing up her swing, but I'm not positive because I don't know what he's telling her. That said, she retains an inordinate amount of flex in here trail knee. Obviously she's very flexible, but it does stand out to me and I wonder if she's been instructed to do that. Ok I just googled this and my suspicions are confirmed. I'm pretty sure her coach is screwing her up. Pretty standard stuff in the golfing world. [QUOTE] As a result, she drops the club too far inside on the downswing. It gets stuck behind her, and the clubface remains open through impact, causing a weak slice. The fix is in the little things. Tseng has worked hard on creating more spine tilt away from the target at address, which helps her wind into her right side on the backswing. "She's setting up with her right hip lower now, which causes more restriction in her hip turn, helps get her chest over her right knee at the top, and stops her left arm from getting too high," Gilchrist says. For stability, they do elastic-band exercises and ball tosses, naturally shaping a more compact pivot that requires no thinking. "She grabs a band and really winds into her right side," Gilchrist says. "And when she tosses that ball, it comes at you at a speed nobody can imagine." Read More http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/swing-sequences/2012-05/photos-yani-tseng#ixzz20WSqPqtE [/QUOTE] Sorry I'm off topic. But it's certainly possible the poor caddy didn't deserve the axe. Looks like Yani is just going to have to rely on her insane talent overcoming what she's working on... Or was working on. Dunno what's being told to her now.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

. I'm pretty sure Gary Gilchrist is screwing up her swing, but I'm not positive because I don't know what he's telling her. That said, she retains an inordinate amount of flex in here trail knee. Obviously she's very flexible, but it does stand out to me and I wonder if she's been instructed to do that.

Maybe her palmar flexion is out of whack.

[bplewis24]

I doubt it has to do with chemistry or mesh or any other subjective and vague quality.  I think it's as simple as, it's broke and it must be fixed.  As Mr 3 Wiggle said, she can't fire herself, can she?

Was this the same guy on the bag when she was dominant?  I don't follow the LPGA, so it's not a rhetorical question.  If he was okay then, I'm sure he's okay now.  But when people/teams aren't winning, the easiest route for the player/team is look for external factors that can be changed in order to justify an internal shift or re-focusing of the mind.

[JetFan1983]

[QUOTE name="JetFan1983" url="/t/60340/yani-tseng-fires-caddie#post_741519"] . I'm pretty sure Gary Gilchrist is screwing up her swing, but I'm not positive because I don't know what he's telling her. That said, she retains an inordinate amount of flex in here trail knee. Obviously she's very flexible, but it does stand out to me and I wonder if she's been instructed to do that.   [/QUOTE] Maybe her palmar flexion is out of whack.

LOL! Shut up, sean :-D Yea I always say that, but only to flippers. The last thing Yani needs is more palmar flexion.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

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Originally Posted by JetFan1983

. I'm pretty sure Gary Gilchrist is screwing up her swing, but I'm not positive because I don't know what he's telling her. That said, she retains an inordinate amount of flex in here trail knee. Obviously she's very flexible, but it does stand out to me and I wonder if she's been instructed to do that.

Maybe her palmar flexion is out of whack.

LOL! Shut up, sean

Yea I always say that, but only to flippers. The last thing Yani needs is more palmar flexion.

When is the last time you checked swings on the LPGA tour? Any Korean or Japanese players in that list of videos? Notice anything consistent with their trailing leg? Women aren't men so collage of old dudes in baggy pants with straight back legs is sort of out of context. What I'm saying is maybe it's her issue, but since you can't even say what her instructor teaches, why are you slandering him? Unless there was supposed to be a "lol" or smiley in that post, in which case I apologize.

[JetFan1983]

[QUOTE name="JetFan1983" url="/t/60340/yani-tseng-fires-caddie#post_741523"] [QUOTE name="sean_miller" url="/t/60340/yani-tseng-fires-caddie#post_741520"] [QUOTE name="JetFan1983" url="/t/60340/yani-tseng-fires-caddie#post_741519"] . I'm pretty sure Gary Gilchrist is screwing up her swing, but I'm not positive because I don't know what he's telling her. That said, she retains an inordinate amount of flex in here trail knee. Obviously she's very flexible, but it does stand out to me and I wonder if she's been instructed to do that.  [/QUOTE] Maybe her palmar flexion is out of whack.[/QUOTE] LOL! Shut up, sean :-D Yea I always say that, but only to flippers. The last thing Yani needs is more palmar flexion.[/QUOTE] When is the last time you checked swings on the LPGA tour? Any Korean or Japanese players in that list of videos? Notice anything consistent with their trailing leg? Women aren't men so collage of old dudes in baggy pants with straight back legs is sort of out of context. What I'm saying is maybe it's her issue, but since you can't even say what her instructor teaches, why are you slandering him? Unless there was supposed to be a "lol" or smiley in that post, in which case I apologize.

There was definitely a smiley in response to you because what you said was hilarious to me, and I'm glad at least one person remembers my posts. But slander is an incorrect term because that means my accusations are false with no basis or evidence. I've provided evidence of poor instruction. Whether you agree with the teachings in that quote I provided or not is another story. As to the other players on the LPGA tour and the last time I checked their swings, I can say that their swings have a lot of room for improvement. I'm also not the first person to say that on these boards. We'd be getting a bit too off topic going into that though.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

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Originally Posted by JetFan1983

. I'm pretty sure Gary Gilchrist is screwing up her swing, but I'm not positive because I don't know what he's telling her. That said, she retains an inordinate amount of flex in here trail knee. Obviously she's very flexible, but it does stand out to me and I wonder if she's been instructed to do that.

Maybe her palmar flexion is out of whack.

LOL! Shut up, sean

Yea I always say that, but only to flippers. The last thing Yani needs is more palmar flexion.

When is the last time you checked swings on the LPGA tour? Any Korean or Japanese players in that list of videos? Notice anything consistent with their trailing leg? Women aren't men so collage of old dudes in baggy pants with straight back legs is sort of out of context. What I'm saying is maybe it's her issue, but since you can't even say what her instructor teaches, why are you slandering him? Unless there was supposed to be a "lol" or smiley in that post, in which case I apologize.

There was definitely a smiley in response to you because what you said was hilarious to me, and I'm glad at least one person remembers my posts.

But slander is an incorrect term because that means my accusations are false with no basis or evidence. I've provided evidence of poor instruction. Whether you agree with the teachings in that quote I provided or not is another story.

As to the other players on the LPGA tour and the last time I checked their swings, I can say that their swings have a lot of room for improvement. I'm also not the first person to say that on these boards. We'd be getting a bit too off topic going into that though.

Sorry, I missed the part where you provided details about Gilchrist's teaching methods. Anyway, she obviously has some issues because she seems very frustrated right now. Not throwing and kicking clubs and swearing kind of frustration, but very very close to it.