Newsflash - Golf should not be performed between the ears - Discuss

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by TakeItOnTheChin

Its mainly during the 10 seconds before the take-away that most conscious interference takes place.

But you only need it clear for that 1.5 seconds during the swing that Zip is talking about, no?

[TakeItOnTheChin]

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Originally Posted by Golfingdad

This makes no sense.  What are you learning if you are not using your conscious mind?

Learning is a conscious process but in the case of golf, many skills like posture, alignment etc should be performed as subconsciously as possible.

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How do you take anything in unconsciously?

Air when you breathe would be a good answer. I did however say subconsciously.

[TakeItOnTheChin]

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

But you only need it clear for that 1.5 seconds during the swing that Zip is talking about, no?

Good point, but you can't have a clear mind during the 1.5 second swing if your conscious was giving it 'rat-a-tat-tat' for the 10 secs beforehand, no?

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by TakeItOnTheChin

Learning is a conscious process but in the case of golf, many skills like posture, alignment etc should be performed as subconsciously as possible.

OK, then.  This makes sense, but it contradicts what I questioned on your previous post.  Yor previous post said "the conscious, calculating mind should be tactically averted during any physical learning process."  I agree that you should let your already trained muscles take over when performing, but even you agree that that is impossible during learning.

Originally Posted by TakeItOnTheChin

Air when you breathe would be a good answer. I did however say subconsciously.

Haha ... very funny, smart alec!  I meant "take in" information but ... you already knew that, didn't you?

[TakeItOnTheChin]

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

OK, then.  This makes sense, but it contradicts what I questioned on your previous post.  Yor previous post said "the conscious, calculating mind should be tactically averted during any physical learning process."  I agree that you should let your already trained muscles take over when performing, but even you agree that that is impossible during learning.

Yes but its the continued conscious involvement that is so destructive. Golfers tend to continue with conscious control during performance.

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Haha ... very funny, smart alec!  I meant "take in" information but ... you already knew that, didn't you?

You got me sussed!

[JetFan1983]

Hey, what's the first name of that famous center who used to play for the New York Knicks? Ewing was his last name. What was his first name again?

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Hey, what's the first name of that famous center who used to play for the New York Knicks? Ewing was his last name. What was his first name again?

I don't recall ... but he was number 57, right?

[David in FL]

I don't recall ... but he was number 57, right?

Never did like that guy..... I seem to remember that he sucked at golf.

[dak4n6]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Hey, what's the first name of that famous center who used to play for the New York Knicks? Ewing was his last name. What was his first name again?

Duh. Y'know, something was tugging at the back of my brain (subconsciously) while I was reading this thread.

[inthehole]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Hey, what's the first name of that famous center who used to play for the New York Knicks? Ewing was his last name. What was his first name again?

LOL - busted

[Clambake]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983 Hey, what's the first name of that famous center who used to play for the New York Knicks? Ewing was his last name. What was his first name again?

Originally Posted by Golfingdad I don't recall ... but he was number 57, right?

Originally Posted by David in FL

Never did like that guy..... I seem to remember that he sucked at golf.

Of course you're all thinking about Willis Reed, but you're being a bit harsh.   He sucked at golf because of that thigh injury he suffered in the 1970 NBA finals; it hampered his ability to make a good turn and push off his back foot.    It certainly couldn't have been because of his studying unconscious learning, playing concepts, inside-out thinking, etc.

[TakeItOnTheChin]

Excuse me,

although I mentioned other sports, I would like to continue on a golfing theme.

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by TakeItOnTheChin

Excuse me,

although I mentioned other sports, I would like to continue on a golfing theme.

I think basketball is closer to the "golfing theme" then talking about a deer walking in the woods.

Anyways, I still don't quite understand the point of the thread ... you haven't elaborated much since the first post (kinda surprised me, to be honest) other than a few witty one-liners.

Seems pretty simple to me ... conscious while you are training and learning ... unconscious while performing, because you have (hopefully) "ingrained" the proper techniques while CONSCIOUSLY practicing them.

[zipazoid]

Personally, this thread has some merit

And if you think about it, golfers should try to shut down their brains

Tho it can be tough at times

Really tough

If I could do it, I know I would be a much better player

Cuz that's the real challenge in this game

Knocking it around with my brain full of thoughts has never worked

...if I could do this, I could probably shoot, oh I dunno, like a 57.

[TakeItOnTheChin]

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Originally Posted by Golfingdad

I think basketball is closer to the "golfing theme" then talking about a deer walking in the woods.

At least golf has walking, wildlife and woods (deer and tiger).

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Anyways, I still don't quite understand the point of the thread ... you haven't elaborated much since the first post (kinda surprised me, to be honest) other than a few witty one-liners.

I beg to differ, I have tried to elaborate in a few of my posts and there’s nothing wrong with a little friendly banter.

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Seems pretty simple to me ... conscious while you are training and learning ... unconscious while performing, because you have (hopefully) "ingrained" the proper techniques while CONSCIOUSLY practicing them.

In a perfect world, golfers would play the game just as you have detailed here but in my experience that is not the case. You’re almost a single figure golfer, can you honestly say that you have no conscious swing thoughts when you are performing?

[TakeItOnTheChin]

Originally Posted by zipazoid

Personally, this thread has some merit

And if you think about it, golfers should try to shut down their brains

Tho it can be tough at times

Really tough

If I could do it, I know I would be a much better player

Cuz that's the real challenge in this game

Knocking it around with my brain full of thoughts has never worked

...if I could do this, I could probably shoot, oh I dunno, like a 57.

That would be about 20 points higher than your IQ

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by TakeItOnTheChin

That would be about 20 points higher than your IQ

Why the attack? What did I do to you, Pat?

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by TakeItOnTheChin

In a perfect world, golfers would play the game just as you have detailed here but in my experience that is not the case. You’re almost a single figure golfer, can you honestly say that you have no conscious swing thoughts when you are performing?

Oh no, that is not what I meant.  Certainly, I have conscious swing thoughts while I am playing.  In fact, right now, because I'm taking lessons and going through a lot of swing changes, I have more than I used to.  I meant, just as I believe you meant, that IDEALLY you will not have your brain interfering with your swing while you are playing.  In a perfect world, you will be able to shut out everything and put yourself "in the zone" to execute the shot.  None of this "just don't hit it in the water" gobledegook that likes to pop up in the heads of us lowly amateurs.  I'm am not there, but I strive for that.

However, you indicated in the opening that you should practice like that as well.  That is what I disagree with.  You can't practice something if you are not conscious of what it is you are trying to practice.  That's why most golfers at the driving range are wasting their time ... because they are just mindlessly banging away at balls.

Not sure about the fawn, but while it's true that walking is an unconscious act for us humans ... it certainly isn't for a 1 year old who is first learning.  They are consciously trying to figure out how to move and balance themselves.