Jump to content
Check out the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
Note: This thread is 1371 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

Posted

There is a definite change on that takeaway. Club is less inside at that point, which is good, but @saevel25 is right; arm needs to go up instead of in.

A good drill, perhaps:

Basically, take a dinner plate, hold it out in front of you. Keep the plate facing in the same direction in first part of the backswing, and then feel as if you were throwing the dinner plate over your shoulder. The video explains it better than I. I think it'll help.

Hunter Bishop

"i was an aspirant once of becoming a flamenco guitarist, but i had an accident with my fingers"

My Bag

Titleist TSI3 | TaylorMade Sim 2 Max 3 Wood | 5 Wood | Edel 3-PW | 52° | 60° | Blade Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

There is a definite change on that takeaway. Club is less inside at that point, which is good, but @saevel25 is right; arm needs to go up instead of in.

A good drill, perhaps:

Basically, take a dinner plate, hold it out in front of you. Keep the plate facing in the same direction in first part of the backswing, and then feel as if you were throwing the dinner plate over your shoulder. The video explains it better than I. I think it'll help.

Maybe I'm confused, but what he's showing is what I'm doing. The bad is the right elbow separating from his side and the good is the elbow staying tucked.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Maybe I'm confused, but what he's showing is what I'm doing. The bad is the right elbow separating from his side and the good is the elbow staying tucked.


I'm concerned I'm not explaining what I mean correctly, and might mess you up. Basically, the drill is supposed to help you get the shaft pointed more left at the top, while keeping the club head outside of the hands on the way back. That's why I posted it. If that's not what you're working on or I've stumbled into something accidentally, my bad!

Hunter Bishop

"i was an aspirant once of becoming a flamenco guitarist, but i had an accident with my fingers"

My Bag

Titleist TSI3 | TaylorMade Sim 2 Max 3 Wood | 5 Wood | Edel 3-PW | 52° | 60° | Blade Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

For the downswing I would work on staying in your tilt and rotating that right side through a lot more. You have a lot of the same moves I am changing away from.

I just watched a video about the cause of flipping and the guy described and demonstrated exactly what I'm doing going into impact. It coincides with what you are saying the fix is with focusing on keeping my body rotation going. Basically he described it as the body turn stalls causing the angles to be released which will either lead to fat shots/hitting way behind the ball or you raise/stand up to avoid the ground and make contact with the ball. Now that I have a good visual of what is happening to cause it, I have a better basis for understanding what you mean about how to fix it. At this point it's a matter of trying to find out how I actually go about doing it... Sounds so simple, but it rarely seems to be for me.

I'm concerned I'm not explaining what I mean correctly, and might mess you up. Basically, the drill is supposed to help you get the shaft pointed more left at the top, while keeping the club head outside of the hands on the way back. That's why I posted it. If that's not what you're working on or I've stumbled into something accidentally, my bad!

I see, you were more addressing the position at the top and the angle the shaft is pointed? I am not sure my camera angle is directly down my toe line. I really need to put down an alignment stick to get it right, but it looks like the club shaft is pretty close to parallel to my toe line I thought. I'll have to pull the video into swing analyzer software to draw the lines to see how far off it is. You may be right, it might be going across the line which obviously is bad. Thanks for pointing it out.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Played around on an executive course tonight.... Holy crap it just was total fails all over the place. I kept topping all my shots. Towards the end I started finally getting some good shots with my irons but I could not hit my 5 wood or hybrid for love or money.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Played around on an executive course tonight.... Holy crap it just was total fails all over the place. I kept topping all my shots. Towards the end I started finally getting some good shots with my irons but I could not hit my 5 wood or hybrid for love or money.

This position here would lead to a lot of thin and fat shots.

Weight forward. Stay in your tilt towards the ball. Drive that right side through the shot. Stop standing up and flipping at the ball.

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

This position here would lead to a lot of thin and fat shots.

Weight forward. Stay in your tilt towards the ball. Drive that right side through the shot. Stop standing up and flipping at the ball.

That's what I focused on at the end. I even started taking decent divots after where the ball was. Basically, the irons were working well but the hybrid/woods weren't.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Working on a feel for not raising up during my swing. I'm trying out the feeling of actually squatting. It works sometimes but others I feel like instead of staying down I'm really dropping.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

So after spending some time on the course yesterday I was starting to get a really good feel for staying down and hitting down on the ball with my irons. I had a lot of really good shots and there was a significant increase in spin on the approach shots because I had several spin back as well as most of them stopping within a few feet of the pitch mark. The distance on the shots was pretty much the same, however I think it evened out between more carry with more backspin vs more roll out with less backspin. The bad part is I've developed a very bad push fade with my driver and fairway wood. It's almost as if I'm not fully releasing the club. It could be the feeling of hitting down is transitioning to the swing with the 5w and the driver. Any advice on fixing this?

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Hi Jeremy, try swinging with the following grip: left hand - grip with last three fingers only(thumb and index off), right hand - middle and ring fingers only (thumb, pinky and index off). Actually you can google/youtube this drill. Think left hand knuckles DOWN at impact. Important to do it in slow motion. You GOTTA kill this left hand knuckles up urge at impact. I've been looking at it for too long :-) . Also maybe camera angel, but ball seems to far back in your stance.

Vishal S.

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Hi Jeremy, try swinging with the following grip: left hand - grip with last three fingers only(thumb and index off), right hand - middle and ring fingers only (thumb, pinky and index off). Actually you can google/youtube this drill. Think left hand knuckles DOWN at impact. Important to do it in slow motion. You GOTTA kill this left hand knuckles up urge at impact. I've been looking at it for too long  . Also maybe camera angel, but ball seems to far back in your stance.

Yes, that image was from a video with the ball too far back. I need to update again because I need to see if I have improved my swing. I know I'm hitting more down on the ball and started taking divots at or in front of the ball much more frequently. I think as a result of the changes I made to achieve this I've started push fade instead of push draw which really is screwing with me.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

I did make it to the range today. I found that my grip had gotten a bit palmy and focused on getting the grip more in the fingers. It helped a lot with the 5w and somewhat with the driver. About 1/2 of the driver shots were good, a quarter were decent and the final quarter were horrible.. It's progress at least. Going to try to get a bit more in tomorrow then hit the course Wednesday.

KICK THE FLIP!!

In the bag:
:srixon: Z355

:callaway: XR16 3 Wood
:tmade: Aeroburner 19* 3 hybrid
:ping: I e1 irons 4-PW
:vokey: SM5 50, 60
:wilsonstaff: Harmonized Sole Grind 56 and Windy City Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Yes, that image was from a video with the ball too far back. I need to update again because I need to see if I have improved my swing. I know I'm hitting more down on the ball and started taking divots at or in front of the ball much more frequently. I think as a result of the changes I made to achieve this I've started push fade instead of push draw which really is screwing with me.


Push fade is a classic hitter's syndrome. Good thing is you are already hitting from the inside a bit if you are pushing. Fight the urge to hold your left arm and grip pinned to your torso at impact.

Let your left arm go through impact area and REALLY drive the club head toe with your right trigger finger. You have to if you want to draw.

Vishal S.

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Hey, i know a few things have been hit on here but for me what really stuck out the most in the down the line shot was how you stand up, your butt goes towards ball severely, which from what i know means your coming out of your posture, try sticking something behind you and make sure you feel it on your butt the whole time

  • Administrator
Posted

Push fade is a classic hitter's syndrome. Good thing is you are already hitting from the inside a bit if you are pushing. Fight the urge to hold your left arm and grip pinned to your torso at impact.

Not necessarily. Push just means the face is pointing right.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
I believe the push is caused by swing path, the curvature would be dictaded by the face

Actually, it is the opposite. Face dictates starting direction, and the ball curves away from the path.

-Matt-

"does it still count as a hit fairway if it is the next one over"

DRIVER-Callaway FTiz__3 WOOD-Nike SQ Dymo 15__HYBRIDS-3,4,5 Adams__IRONS-6-PW Adams__WEDGES-50,55,60 Wilson Harmonized__PUTTER-Odyssey Dual Force Rossie II

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
Posted
I believe the push is caused by swing path, the curvature would be dictaded by the face

Read this: Ball Flight Laws

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 1371 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    Carl's Place
    PlayBetter
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • Day 610 - 2026-06-03 Got some work in between lessons today. Rare late day, teaching until 7:30pm.
    • Let's continue on… Cool. The thing is, nobody's claiming par is "reliable" and par's inclusion piggy-backs in the course rating, which is awfully close to par and, thus, brings par in to make it make sense. Once again, for those in the back… (CR - Par) just makes it really easy to know what kind of score you need to shoot to best, match, or play worse than your handicap index. Yes, when par is different, the players from the higher par tees get an extra stroke (72 vs. 71, the 72s get an extra stroke. That makes sense and is a small complication (more info at https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/roh/Content/rules/Committee%20Content/USGA/LG_R6d.htm). However, most of the time, this adjustment will not be needed, as many courses play to the same par for the same genders from all sets of tees. And, the rare times it is needed, par (measured in whole numbers, integers) and strokes (also whole numbers/integers) map easily and the idea is easily grasped. Dean seems to be unaware of the fact that most every golfer carries something orders of magnitude more powerful than the highest end desktop computers available the last time he consulted with the USGA in their pockets. While it is quaint that his club puts printouts by the first tee… get with the times, Dean. Look up your handicap index and course handicap in the GHIN app and get on with it. It's a better system than the one that didn't account — at all — for a difference in the playing conditions (via an algorithm, not a judgment). Dean's assertions about the "less precise system because of par" continues to make absolutely zero sense. Right, it still changed tee to tee. Now it just changes differently… and in a way that more accurately reflects the score you need to shoot to play to your handicap. Previously, a 1.1 index would get 1 stroke on a 66.7/122 par-72 course. Now they give four strokes back to the course and must shoot 68 to play to their handicap. This makes way more sense. The 18-shot difference is a pretty extreme example. Maybe a long course that also offers a par-three set of tees could play that long, but… man, that's not going to be super common. Sensationalistic much, Dean? Also, once those unhappy (complete assumption) golfers realize a) what the change shows them (playing to net par = playing to your index) and b) realizes that their differential is going to be the same… I think they'll get over their initial questions. No. And yet… if he shoots the same scores, he'll get the same handicap index he has now. But he'll know on each course what score he needs to shoot to "play to his handicap." Sheesh, Dean. This stuff isn't that hard to figure out. Enough with the sensationalistic stuff. I don't find it "unacceptable" at all. Then again, I'm not nearly 80 and seemingly incapable of doing basic math these days. No. This literally makes no sense, as that part of the differential calculation and the course handicap calculation remains identical. Good! No. Categorically wrong. They should have been adjusting their handicaps all along. Previously it was by subtracting the course ratings. Which… is still basically what's done, with the addition of the course rating being "baked in" to the course handicap calculation. Dean is wrong here, or doing some math heretofore unknown by the world. When par is the same, what determines the difference in handicaps? The course rating, which Dean loves! Sheesh! You had to things when players were in situations like this before, too. This is getting exhausting. He keeps using words like "less precise" and "unfair" but does not seem to understand what they mean. This is like the Princess Bride meme: "you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." The caps reduce upward movement. Committees have reign to reduce a player's handicap, and there's still an automatic Exceptional Score Reduction. I'm going through these more quickly now because… well, it's silly how badly Dean misses the mark with this blog post. Dean is literally confusing the upward movement (with the soft and hard caps) here with the exceptional score reduction which is used when lowering handicaps due to an exceptionally good score. The creators of the WHS are handicap experts. They know more about the current state of handicaps/handicapping than the Pope Emeritus. It's been shown to have almost no effect across all handicaps. Yes, some 36s under the old system are now 35s under the new system. Yawn. He should have stopped there. It's easier to apply and makes more sense. This makes no sense. It's "not complex" but players will have to guess? And, for men or women, the stroke index of each hole doesn't change because they play a different set of tees. They get a different number of strokes, but it's always been true that when you get 14 strokes you apply a stroke to stroke index holes 1-14, and when you get 11, to just holes with a SI of 1-11. Objection, your honor. Assumes facts not in evidence. Dean's just out here continuing to make shit up about "the inaccuracy of par" and ignoring that with Par (an integer) came the Course Rating, which he agrees is precise and accurate. No. No, this is inaccurate. Also, as noted, you can randomly assign stroke indexes, and so long as all the low numbers or all the high numbers are not clumped together at the beginning or ends of the 18 holes, matches generally work out the same. This is inaccurate. It is an algorithm that looks at scores. That's it. Also, this is better than a system like the prior one where no such thing existed at all. Wildly inaccurate and off-base. Did they do actual testing? No need. They have millions and millions of rounds and ran many, many, many simulations. That's testing. Dean seems to continue to be unaware of the fact that computers are more powerful now than they were in 2002. But, he's nearly 80, so we can understand if not going so far as to give him a pass on how much he gets wrong. Cool. Noted. For the most part that was because many countries haven't been able to rate enough of their courses. :sigh:
    • Day 3 (3 Jun 26) - More work on keeping arms connected today - hard foam balls with 7i and 5w…..
    • Day 274 6-3 flow drill getting chest through, arms in front. Arms get a little pinned to the side, not as much in front as I want them when I add speed. 
    • Shot 48 yesterday.  For me bogey golf is good.  I was 10 over through 7 and figured with a Par 3 and 4 coming on all I needed was birdie / par to get my 45. I had a great tee shot on #8 and sunk  a 5 footer for birdie, game was coming together, now just needed par on #9. Had a great tee drive and the green was within range for a hoped GIR or nGIR.  But I pulled the shot left into tall weeds and needed to take a drop.  So much for par, but a bogey for 46 is still good for me. I hit my lob wedge to get over a small tree and saw the ball riding nicely  on line to the pin when my club hit the ball a 2nd time on my follow through causing the ball to change directions and ended up @ pin high but along the same tall weeds I just took an unplayable out of.  had no room for a backswing, Just hacked at it and it shot across the green to the rough on the far side.  Needed a chip & 1 putt got a triple bogey. you can see the hole fall apart in the screenshot below.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.