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Dables

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Dables Established Member

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As I mentioned in another thread, I'm looking for a new 3 wood, and as I started listing the things I wanted out of it, I realized the only club I've ever had that performed the way I want is the original Adams Tight Lies.

So my question is, how far behind todays clubs would that head be from a performance standpoint? If I bought one in good shape and dropped a new shaft in it, would it be comparable?


SamGray Well Established Member

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This video that I have attached is a video by Rick Shiels who is reviewing the original Big Bertha from the lat 90's against the Callaway X Hot from 2013. This video shows that there really is not that much difference other than forgiveness. I hope this helps!

Sam Gray

Whats in my :ping: Ping Hoofer Carry Bag?
Driver: :ping: Ping G25 9.5*    Shaft: Graphite Design AD DI 7x
3 Wood: :callaway: Callaway X HOT Pro 3 Deep 14.5       Shaft: Diamana Blue Board 83x
Hybrid: :adams: Adams A12 prototype 20*  Shaft: Aldila Rip NV blue prototype 80x
3 iron--Pitching Wedge: :mizuno: MP-64 irons 1* flat      Shafts: KBS Tour Stiff 
Wedges: :cleveland: 588 Forged 54 degree 12 degree bounce and 61 degree 9 degrees bounce   
Putter: :ping: Ping Karsten 1959 Anser 2


Dables Established Member

Dables

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This video that I have attached is a video by Rick Shiels who is reviewing the original Big Bertha from the lat 90's against the Callaway X Hot from 2013. This video shows that there really is not that much difference other than forgiveness. I hope this helps!

this is fantastic.....Lead me to go ahead and pull the trigger on a used tight lies on Ebay. The price for my new 3 wood? $8. Perhaps I'll stick a new shaft in it.


Gioguy21 Great Member

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this is fantastic.....Lead me to go ahead and pull the trigger on a used tight lies on Ebay. The price for my new 3 wood? $8. Perhaps I'll stick a new shaft in it.

i've been trying to find a clubbuilder for the last couple years who will do bore-thru shaft repair. if i can, i will be putting some matrix black tie shafts in my old callaway warbird big bertha woods. to this day the best i've ever hit out of any lie.

i think the greatest leaps have been made in shaft technology to be honest. it's amazing how they can make varied profiles, weights, and stiffness to fit any golfer. you can only put so much in a club head - see: player muscle/cavity back irons are VERY similar to how they were even 20 years ago

In my Titleist 2014 9.5" Staff bag:

Cobra Bio+ 9* Matrix White Tie X  - Taylormade SLDR 15* ATTAS 80X - Titleist 910H 19* ATTAS 100X - Taylormade '13 TP MC 4-PW PX 6.5 - Vokey TVD M 50* DG TI X100 - Vokey SM4 55 / Vokey SM5 60* DG TI S400 - Piretti Potenza II 365g


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this is fantastic.....Lead me to go ahead and pull the trigger on a used tight lies on Ebay. The price for my new 3 wood? $8. Perhaps I'll stick a new shaft in it.

Isn't forgiveness what were all looking for?

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Dables Established Member

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Isn't forgiveness what were all looking for?

I'm not all that concerned about that. I'm primarily looking for a head shape that I'm comfortable with hitting off the deck, and If I can get that by spending $50 on a shaft as opposed to spending $200 on the new tight lies I'm going to give it a shot. I always felt like the original tight lies was pretty forgiving


WUTiger Incredible Member

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i've been trying to find a clubbuilder for the last couple years who will do bore-thru shaft repair. ....

If you can't find anyone local, contact GolfWorks. We all did a bore-through reshaft as part of the basic three-day school there.

GolfWorks not only sells components, it also does repair work. Check the online if interested.

Focus, connect and follow through!

  • Completed KBS Education Seminar (online, 2015)
  • GolfWorks Clubmaking Academy: Fitting, Assembly & Repair School (2012)

Driver:  :touredge: EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  :callaway: Rogue 4W + 7W
Hybrid:  :callaway: Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  :callaway: Mavrik MAX 5i-PW
Wedges:  :callaway: MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter:image.png.b6c3447dddf0df25e482bf21abf775ae.pngInertial NM SL-583F, 34"  
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Gioguy21 Great Member

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If you can't find anyone local, contact GolfWorks. We all did a bore-through reshaft as part of the basic three-day school there.

GolfWorks not only sells components, it also does repair work. Check the online if interested.

Thanks for this recommendation...i might just do it for fun. you're awesome WU. i owe you

In my Titleist 2014 9.5" Staff bag:

Cobra Bio+ 9* Matrix White Tie X  - Taylormade SLDR 15* ATTAS 80X - Titleist 910H 19* ATTAS 100X - Taylormade '13 TP MC 4-PW PX 6.5 - Vokey TVD M 50* DG TI X100 - Vokey SM4 55 / Vokey SM5 60* DG TI S400 - Piretti Potenza II 365g


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Isn't forgiveness what were all looking for?

Yes, and twice the accuracy seems even more important.
So the new driver is 8-10 yards longer (not that big of a deal) but more forgiving and twice as accurate (a really big deal, to most golfers).
I got done watching the video thinking that new drivers are worth the money.

Driver: Ping K15 10°, Mitsubishi Diamana Blueboard 63g Stiff
Fairway 4-wood: TaylorMade RocketBallz Tour TP 17.5°, Matrix Ozik TP7HD S shaft

Hybrids: Callaway Diablo Edge 3H-4H, Aldila DVS Stiff
Irons: MIURA PP-9003, Dynamic Gold Superlite S300, Sand Wedge: Scratch 8620 56°
Putter: Nike Method Concept Belly 44"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B330-S


SamGray Well Established Member

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Yes, and twice the accuracy seems even more important. So the new driver is 8-10 yards longer (not that big of a deal) but more forgiving and twice as accurate (a really big deal, to most golfers). I got done watching the video thinking that new drivers are worth the money.

I think you make a great point but as long as you hit the center of the club face there is not a huge difference. Although most armature golfers don't. I think the video proves that even without the huge gains in distance we expect it is still worth the money for the accuracy and forgiveness

Sam Gray

Whats in my :ping: Ping Hoofer Carry Bag?
Driver: :ping: Ping G25 9.5*    Shaft: Graphite Design AD DI 7x
3 Wood: :callaway: Callaway X HOT Pro 3 Deep 14.5       Shaft: Diamana Blue Board 83x
Hybrid: :adams: Adams A12 prototype 20*  Shaft: Aldila Rip NV blue prototype 80x
3 iron--Pitching Wedge: :mizuno: MP-64 irons 1* flat      Shafts: KBS Tour Stiff 
Wedges: :cleveland: 588 Forged 54 degree 12 degree bounce and 61 degree 9 degrees bounce   
Putter: :ping: Ping Karsten 1959 Anser 2


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Not that it means anything ... but isn't the original tight lies considered more of a hybrid than a fairway wood?

I remembered it being really, really good at helping the ball get up and up quickly, so it seems like it would be difficult to use as a 3 wood off the tee.  Wouldn't it just balloon like crazy?

But I echo others that the tech is really in the forgiveness ... so if you are hitting the sweet spot of this club then you're probably not losing a whole lot over new ones ... especially if its providing you confidence.

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Golfingdad,

By chance, I have an Adams 1999 product catalog here in my bookcase. (G, you are honor-bound not to tell my wife!)

The Tight Lies were fairway woods (see shaft length), with "upside down" heads that really got the ball up well. Here are the lofts of the original offerings:

Strong 2...12*...w/Graphite shaft 43".. w/Steel shaft 42 1/2"

Strong 3...13*

Original....16*

Strong 5...19*

Strong 7...24*

Strong 9...28*

Strong 11..32*

History tidbit: hybrids are descendents of the Bulldog , a trouble club from circa 1900 that had about a 25* loft, and a small wooden head about two golf balls wide.

Focus, connect and follow through!

  • Completed KBS Education Seminar (online, 2015)
  • GolfWorks Clubmaking Academy: Fitting, Assembly & Repair School (2012)

Driver:  :touredge: EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  :callaway: Rogue 4W + 7W
Hybrid:  :callaway: Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  :callaway: Mavrik MAX 5i-PW
Wedges:  :callaway: MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter:image.png.b6c3447dddf0df25e482bf21abf775ae.pngInertial NM SL-583F, 34"  
Ball:  image.png.f0ca9194546a61407ba38502672e5ecf.png QStar Tour - Divide  ||  Bag: :sunmountain: Three 5 stand bag

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