Driving iron less "draw biased" than hybrid?

[SoundandFury]

Any one have any experience/advice regarding switching from hybrid (currently Callaway Xhot 3 hybrid) to a driving iron (looking at Titleist 712u 18*?  Specifically to combat a tendency to hook the hybrid? Wouldn't mind a bit flatter trajectory in the wind either, but mainly want to dial back the hook, especially when I use it off the tee.

[mvmac]

I would first hit the 712 U to make it does what you think it will do. Yes it will launch lower than a XHot but if you hook it because you miss it off the toe, going to a different club won't help.

[SoundandFury]

Thanks Mike.  Not missing on the toe with the Xhot, it's just either a draw or a hook.  I have a really hard time turning it left to right, and even the straightest shots have at least a couple yards of draw on them, so they always seem to kick right when they hit the green.

[MConstantineJr]

First post. Glad to be here. I can't hit a hybrid for the life of me. I currently play MP37 7-pw with acer xf pro 4-6 to gap accordingly. However I have a been toying with a 4-6 Wilson D100 leaving the xf pro 6 in the bag as well to bridge the gap of the SGI Wilson's. I have an MP Fli Hi cut muscle 4 on the way that I would replace the Wilson 5 with as they are both 24*. Depending on how I hit it I will definitely buy a 2 Fli Hi which is 18* to replace my Cobra T Rail 3 hybrid as well as a 2 Fli hi to replace my Wilson 4 iron. So my bag would be Driver, 3 wood, 2-4 MP Fli Hi, leave the Wilson 6 and xf pro 6 in the bag to bridge the gap of the SGI Wilson, and then MP37 7-pw. My question is are driving irons easier, as easy, or more difficult to hit off the deck than a SGI like the Wilson D100? One more note. I was thinking to have as little change possible through the set to go MP Fli hi 2-4, Wilson 6 and then the MP37 6-pw eliminating the xf pro altogether.

[MConstantineJr]

First post. Glad to be here. I can't hit a hybrid for the life of me. I currently play MP37 7-pw with acer xf pro 4-6 to gap accordingly. However I have a been toying with a 4-6 Wilson D100 leaving the xf pro 6 in the bag as well to bridge the gap of the SGI Wilson's. I have an MP Fli Hi cut muscle 4 on the way that I would replace the Wilson 5 with as they are both 24*. Depending on how I hit it I will definitely buy a 2 Fli Hi which is 18* to replace my Cobra T Rail 3 hybrid as well as a 2 Fli hi to replace my Wilson 4 iron. So my bag would be Driver, 3 wood, 2-4 MP Fli Hi, leave the Wilson 6 and xf pro 6 in the bag to bridge the gap of the SGI Wilson, and then MP37 7-pw. My question is are driving irons easier, as easy, or more difficult to hit off the deck than a SGI like the Wilson D100? One more note. I was thinking to have as little change possible through the set to go MP Fli hi 2-4, Wilson 6 and then the MP37 6-pw eliminating the xf pro altogether.

[quote name="MConstantineJr" url="/t/75751/driving-iron-less-draw-biased-than-hybrid#post_1019272"]First post. Glad to be here. I can't hit a hybrid for the life of me. I currently play MP37 7-pw with acer xf pro 4-6 to gap accordingly. However I have a been toying with a 4-6 Wilson D100 leaving the xf pro 6 in the bag as well to bridge the gap of the SGI Wilson's. I have an MP Fli Hi cut muscle 4 on the way that I would replace the Wilson 5 with as they are both 24*. Depending on how I hit it I will definitely buy a 2 Fli Hi which is 18* to replace my Cobra T Rail 3 hybrid as well as a 2 Fli hi to replace my Wilson 4 iron. So my bag would be Driver, 3 wood, 2-4 MP Fli Hi, leave the Wilson 6 and xf pro 6 in the bag to bridge the gap of the SGI Wilson, and then MP37 7-pw. My question is are driving irons easier, as easy, or more difficult to hit off the deck than a SGI like the Wilson D100? One more note. I was thinking to have as little change possible through the set to go MP Fli hi 2-4, Wilson 6 and then the MP37 6-pw eliminating the xf pro altogether.[/quote] To add, I can hit irons well. They are the best aspect of my game and I have considered going 3 wood, 5 wood, 3-pw, 3 wedges and putter. If they made 12 and 15 degree driving irons I'd consider that over the woods.

[MConstantineJr]

Sorry to be a thread hog! I should have mentioned as well I have coming along with the fli hi 4 a combo set of 5-6 mp60 and 7-pw mp32. I may just bag that set and add a fli hi 2 and 3. I think I like the sounds of that set up. Of course this is all contingent on the ease of use of 2-4 fli hi. I'd really like to hear any thoughts on those or any of my stupid ideas. I know 18 handicap aren't supposed to play blades or what not but that's all garbage if you ask me. I have no problems playing them. Just looking for a little more forgiveness in my long irons without using hybrids which I just can't get comfy with.

[SoundandFury]

So went out and tried some driving irons and different hybrids.  Loved the drive irons of the tee; little lower flight, and much harder to hook.  Miss was mostly straight right (which I find MUCH less penalizing than a hook).  However, took a pretty good swing to hit high enough off the deck to maximize carry and hold greens.  Club fitter recommended I try some of the "player" hybrids, and man I was blown away.  I ended up with the X2 Hot Pro 20* (go figure).  Even with a slightly shorter shaft and one degree less loft I actually hit it further.  No more hooks either.

Sold.

[WUTiger]

You have a standard hybrid, so it may have quite a bit of offset which can contribute to hooking.

Hybrids with tour or pro heads usually have less offset than standard hybrids. This is something to consider.

[inthecup]

I had the same problem and I bought Adam's DHY Hybrids.  More friendly than Irons not as forgiving as GI hybrids.

I got 18 (2) 21 (3) and 24 (4) they happen to fit my gaps well.

[Dave2512]

The solution for me was going to GI long irons and bringing in a 7w. Just couldn't make a hybrid work with course conditions here.

[SoundandFury]

I had the same problem and I bought Adam's DHY Hybrids.  More friendly than Irons not as forgiving as GI hybrids.

I got 18 (2) 21 (3) and 24 (4) they happen to fit my gaps well.

Hit the 21* other day; great club.  Long as hell and no hooks.  I'd gotten so used to trying hold off the Xhot just to hit it straight that it took me a bit to stop blocking these.

[onthehunt526]

I have demoed a couple of the rebirthed driving irons... Vs the hybrid... Depending on the hybrid it could be a little more offset especially if it is part of an iron set... Because matched hybrids to SGI/GI iron sets have more offset than players irons.