Titleist AP2 with Kbs Tour 90 stiff shaft

[dbbb]

Hello,

I just bought a set of ap2s on Ebay (pretty much brand new) with the shaft Kbs Tour 90 stiff.

I was looking for a lighter steel shaft and the tour 90 was very light so I bought it. Looking at the KBS tour shafts here:

http://kbsgolfshafts.com/shafts/kbs-tour-90

One can see that the tour 90 shaft is by far the lightest but also produces a higher launch angle and spin rate. I like that it goes high so this is not a problem. The club is indeed super-light which is very nice but it doesnt feel as stiff as my former proect-x 6.5s.

I usually like to push the clubface a bit in to the ground before I start my swing and I notice that the shaft is very flexible when I do this. I have a look at the torque which is quite high at 2.3 if compared to the KBS shafts most pros use.

I am a 2 hcp player and inspire to be better, is this shaft a crazy choice I made? What is the main reason that not alot of pros are using the kbs tour 90? Can the torque make my shots less straight? Why is the torque so high here? I heard somewhere that torque doesnt matter much in iron shafts as it does in graphite shafts.

Please help as im thinking about selling these again and getting another set of shafts.

thanks,

D

[boogielicious]

Hello,

I just bought a set of ap2s on Ebay (pretty much brand new) with the shaft Kbs Tour 90 stiff.

I was looking for a lighter steel shaft and the tour 90 was very light so I bought it. Looking at the KBS tour shafts here:

http://kbsgolfshafts.com/shafts/kbs-tour-90

One can see that the tour 90 shaft is by far the lightest but also produces a higher launch angle and spin rate. I like that it goes high so this is not a problem. The club is indeed super-light which is very nice but it doesnt feel as stiff as my former proect-x 6.5s.

I usually like to push the clubface a bit in to the ground before I start my swing and I notice that the shaft is very flexible when I do this. I have a look at the torque which is quite high at 2.3 if compared to the KBS shafts most pros use.

I am a 2 hcp player and inspire to be better, is this shaft a crazy choice I made? What is the main reason that not alot of pros are using the kbs tour 90? Can the torque make my shots less straight? Why is the torque so high here? I heard somewhere that torque doesnt matter much in iron shafts as it does in graphite shafts.

Please help as im thinking about selling these again and getting another set of shafts.

thanks,

D

The KBS Tour 90 is made for slower swing speeds.  My 6 iron is around 80 mph.  My fitter recommended KBS tour 90 or NS Pro 950GH stiff for my swing speed.  It may be just too light a shaft for you.

[dbbb]

The KBS Tour 90 is made for slower swing speeds.  My 6 iron is around 80 mph.  My fitter recommended KBS tour 90 or NS Pro 950GH stiff for my swing speed.  It may be just too light a shaft for you.

Not sure what my swing speed is with my irons, I hit my 7-iron about 175 yard carry. How could I tell if the shaft doesnt fit me or if my swing speed is too fast for the shaft?

[boogielicious]

You hit your 7 iron about 25 yards more than me, so I would say you are a good 5 to 10 mph more than me.  I would say that this flex (KBS Tour 90 stiff) is too light for you.  It is equivalent to Dynamic Gold R300 in flex.  You could be S300 or even X300 with that swing speed.

I wish the shaft sites were more specific about swing speed and their flex.

Check out this site from True Temper and KBS on shaft fitting.

http://www.shaftfit.com

http://kbsgolfshafts.com/fit-system

Also, the PING site has an internet fitting guide that will give you a flex idea.  On the Golfsmith site, some of the shafts will show a recommended swing speed for their flex.  Also, a lot of shaft sites will too, but you may have to dig around on the site.

But, the absolute best way is the get fit by a good fitter.

[PirateJim]

@dbbb As a 2 handicap that aspires to improve, I think you owe it to yourself to have a professional with a proper launch monitor assist you in selecting the best shaft for your game.  AP2s are good clubs.  Why not find a good Titleist fitter that does club repairs as well as fitting for new clubs and get his help in making that selection and installing the shafts?

[Mr. Desmond]

I suggest you find a Titleist fitter with a Titleist Cart as they are more likely to have the screw in shafts for testing. Or if you have a shop similar to Kool Klubs, et al, or a reputable fitter (tough to find) who knows what they are doing... and a Flightscope or Trackman monitor.

The Tour 90, while a fine shaft, the torque is not bothersome to me, is probably not the shaft for you. It's possible you need a lower launching, lower spin shaft, and KBS has many options.

[dbbb]

@dbbb As a 2 handicap that aspires to improve, I think you owe it to yourself to have a professional with a proper launch monitor assist you in selecting the best shaft for your game.  AP2s are good clubs.  Why not find a good Titleist fitter that does club repairs as well as fitting for new clubs and get his help in making that selection and installing the shafts?

You are absolutely right its just that I already bought these clubs and am not sure if I should change shafts or sell the clubs as they are and buy a whole new set.

I suggest you find a Titleist fitter with a Titleist Cart as they are more likely to have the screw in shafts for testing. Or if you have a shop similar to Kool Klubs, et al, or a reputable fitter (tough to find) who knows what they are doing... and a Flightscope or Trackman monitor.

The Tour 90, while a fine shaft, the torque is not bothersome to me, is probably not the shaft for you. It's possible you need a lower launching, lower spin shaft, and KBS has many options.

Thanks for the answer. What is the main reason why the pros want lower launches / lower spin than the amateurs?

[Fourputt]

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateJim

@dbbb As a 2 handicap that aspires to improve, I think you owe it to yourself to have a professional with a proper launch monitor assist you in selecting the best shaft for your game.  AP2s are good clubs.  Why not find a good Titleist fitter that does club repairs as well as fitting for new clubs and get his help in making that selection and installing the shafts?

You are absolutely right its just that I already bought these clubs and am not sure if I should change shafts or sell the clubs as they are and buy a whole new set.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

I suggest you find a Titleist fitter with a Titleist Cart as they are more likely to have the screw in shafts for testing. Or if you have a shop similar to Kool Klubs, et al, or a reputable fitter (tough to find) who knows what they are doing... and a Flightscope or Trackman monitor.

The Tour 90, while a fine shaft, the torque is not bothersome to me, is probably not the shaft for you. It's possible you need a lower launching, lower spin shaft, and KBS has many options.

Thanks for the answer. What is the main reason why the pros want lower launches / lower spin than the amateurs?

I don't think they want lower spin than an amateur, but because they hit the ball so much more sharply than most amateurs, they naturally get more spin and need a lower spin shaft to control it.  If that isn't an issue for you, then that shaft probably isn't a good fit.

By the way, I play 2010 AP-2 irons with a regular flex steel shaft, and I Iove them.

[Mr. Desmond]

Thanks for the answer. What is the main reason why the pros want lower launches / lower spin than the amateurs?

Whether you want to purchase a new set depends on you and the $$$ involved in fitting shafts and bending them to your specs.

Fourputt posted my response - the pros or better ams with speed hit the ball in such a way that a lower launching, lower spinning shaft gives them more of an ideal trajectory and more distance. My 18 yr old son (at the time) began with Tour 90, which did not work because of the high launch/spin character, DG Tours were not for him, and he moved to KBS Tour. That was before they made the C Tapers, et al.

[PirateJim]

You are absolutely right its just that I already bought these clubs and am not sure if I should change shafts or sell the clubs as they are and buy a whole new set.

Thanks for the answer. What is the main reason why the pros want lower launches / lower spin than the amateurs?

My response was based in no small part on the (perhaps incorrect) assumption that you were getting clubs off Ebay because of financial constraints that would keep you from buying new with a proper fitting.  I think you'd be better off getting the input of a pro fitter than selling off those and going back to Ebay to experiment with another semi-random shaft, but if selling those clubs and getting a proper fitting for new sticks is an option it may be the best.  If you want something light, and the expense isn't a big stumbling block, don't discount the possibility of graphite shafts.  They aren't just for old men's clubs any more, after all, how many steel shafted drivers do you see?  Even some of the pros are going graphite: http://www.brandtsnedeker.com/whats-in-the-bag/ (you'll have to play the short video for the info)

[dchoye]

I was at the store looking at the same set and interested in buying them if they don't suit you. Sent PM to me if you find it doesn't fit you