Lucas Glover Moves Ball Marking Putt

[le rapace]

sunday in the last trisome at the 18 hole lucas glover missed his putt

when he come to mark his ball his coin or fingers hit the ball and make it move

before his coin was in place,did someone else notice this mistake

what rule apply here and did lucas get penalised

[Dormie1360]

I didn't see it, but it sounds like no penalty based on the following.

20-1 . Lifting and Marking

A ball to be lifted under the Rules may be lifted by the player, his partner or another person authorized by the player. In any such case, the player is responsible for any breach of the Rules .

The position of the ball must be marked before it is lifted under a Rule that requires it to be replaced. If it is not marked, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke and the ball must be replaced. If it is not replaced, the player incurs the general penalty for breach of this Rule but there is no additional penalty under Rule 20-1 .

If a ball or ball-marker is accidentally moved in the process of lifting the ball under a Rule or marking its position, the ball or ball-marker must be replaced. There is no penalty, provided the movement of the ball or ball-marker is directly attributable to the specific act of marking the position of or lifting the ball. Otherwise, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke under this Rule or Rule 18-2a .

20-1/15

Meaning of "Directly Attributable" in Rules 20-1 and 20-3a

Q.What is meant by the phrase "directly attributable to the specific act" in Rules 20-1 and 20-3a ?

A.In Rule 20-1 the phrase means the specific act of placing a ball-marker behind the ball, placing a club to the side of the ball, or lifting the ball such that the player's hand, the placement of the ball-marker or the club, or the lifting of the ball causes the ball or the ball-marker to move.

In Rule 20-3a the phrase means the specific act of placing or replacing a ball in front of a ball-marker, placing a club to the side of a ball-marker or lifting the ball-marker such that the player's hand, the placement of the ball or club, or the lifting of the ball-marker causes the ball or the ball-markerto move.

Under either Rule, any accidental movement of the ball or the ball-marker which occurs before or after this specific act, such as dropping the ball or ball-marker, regardless of the height from which it was dropped, is not considered to be "directly attributable" and would result in the player incurring a penalty stroke.

[ColinL]

Yes.  As long as it wasn't a matter of dropping his marker  on to the ball but of moving  the ball with the marker in his grasp,

[le rapace]

the ball moved about 1 inch forward

lucas did not replaced his ball, he just drop his coin

and picked up the ball !!!

it happen so fast because he was not involve for the win

may be someone else saw it and can reply

thank you

[ColinL]

I didn't see it, but there was no requirement to replace his ball if he nudged it forward while putting down his marker.  All that mattered was that the marker was in the correct place.

[Bird E3]

I noticed it, and I think he marked the ball closer than he was supposed to. What made it worse is that he did it out of anger because his short putts were aweful.

[le rapace]

birde3, from what we saw do you think rule 20-1 apply here

or he should get penalised!!

[Aflighter]

I saw it too and thought the same if he had messed up.As he was reaching down to place his mark his hand hit the ball before placing the mark down.To me thats a penalty because he caused his ball to move before his mark was down but i felt bad for him so i wouldnt penalize him.

[le rapace]

A pga official should make it clear it is not a feeling bad it is a question of ruling and what if had been first

[Bird E3]

birde3, from what we saw do you think rule 20-1 apply here

or he should get penalised!!

I found it, and it wasn't as bad as I thought. No penalty. https://vine.co/v/OU1K9B5e5hw

[le rapace]

thank you for the video, now peoples can make there mind on this

[kingwood]

Yes i did see his fingers hit the ball. whats that ruling???

[Bird E3]

It's not a penalty to accidentally move the ball when marking it. A while back a caddy threw the ball to his player, and it hit his coin moving it. That's a penalty because he was not in the act of marking it.

[le rapace]

It might not be a penalty but it does not look good on a green!!!!!!

[Big C]

Wow, that was REALLY innocuous. No penalty, and I'm not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

[Fourputt]

There is no penalty if the movement is directly attributable to the act of marking the ball.  Rule 18-2:

Under the Rules there is no penalty if a player accidentally causes his ball to move in the following circumstances:

In searching for a ball covered by sand, in the replacement of Loose Impediments moved in a Hazard while finding or identifying a ball, in probing for a ball lying in water in a Water Hazard or in searching for a ball in an Obstruction or an Abnormal Ground Condition – Rule 12-1

In repairing a Hole plug or ball mark – Rule 16-1c

In measuring – Rule 18-6

In lifting a ball under a Rule – Rule 20-1

In placing or replacing a ball under a Rule – Rule 20-3a

...If a ball or ball-marker is accidentally moved in the process of lifting the ball under a Rule or marking its position, the ball or ball-marker must be replaced. There is no penalty, provided the movement of the ball or ball-marker is directly attributable to the specific act of marking the position of or lifting the ball. Otherwise, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke under this Rule or Rule 18-2a.

...If a ball or ball-marker is accidentally moved in the process of placing or replacing the ball, the ball or ball-marker must be replaced. There is no penalty, provided the movement of the ball or ball-marker is directly attributable to the specific act of placing or replacing the ball or removing the ball-marker. Otherwise, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke under Rule 18-2a or20-1.

The rule book states it quite clearly.  If you want more clarification, then the decisions state:

20-1/15

Meaning of "Directly Attributable" in Rules 20-1 and 20-3a

Q.What is meant by the phrase "directly attributable to the specific act" in Rules 20-1 and 20-3a?

A.In Rule 20-1 the phrase means the specific act of placing a ball-marker behind the ball, placing a club to the side of the ball, or lifting the ball such that the player's hand, the placement of the ball-marker or the club, or the lifting of the ball causes the ball or the ball-marker to move.

In Rule 20-3a the phrase means the specific act of placing or replacing a ball in front of a ball-marker, placing a club to the side of a ball-marker or lifting the ball-marker such that the player's hand, the placement of the ball or club, or the lifting of the ball-marker causes the ball or the ball-markerto move.

Under either Rule, any accidental movement of the ball or the ball-marker which occurs before or after this specific act, such as dropping the ball or ball-marker, regardless of the height from which it was dropped, is not considered to be "directly attributable" and would result in the player incurring a penalty stroke.

[Rulesman]

There is no penalty if the movement is directly attributable to the act of marking the ball.  Rule 18-2:

The rule book states it quite clearly.  If you want more clarification, then the decisions state:

See post #2

[Fourputt]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourputt

There is no penalty if the movement is directly attributable to the act of marking the ball.  Rule 18-2:

The rule book states it quite clearly.  If you want more clarification, then the decisions state:

See post #2

Yeah, but apparently a bunch of them didn't get it, so I tried it by picking out the appropriate passages to see if that got the message across.