Golfing under the influence, should this be moderated?

[Mr. Desmond]

31 minutes ago, Lihu said:

 

Thanks, but it's not clear who the 12 male golfers were in the study and the conditions of the 36 holes and the weather etc. Not sure how conclusive is that study in a general sense?

Is it difficult being the contrarian?

[Lihu]

Just now, Fourputt said:

I guess that all depends on what you call a "reasonable" swing.  You say that you have a "crappy" swing, but I don't see that.  You are a single digit index so you must be dong something right.  By your grading, my swing would be atrocious, yet my index was near your level just 5 or 6 years ago.  I still hit good shots when I can keep my mental focus.  When that slips, so does my swing.  I virtually never hit a good shot when my mind is not in the swing.  So where is the dividing line between mental focus and swing mechanics?  

I have to say that in 40 years in the game, this is the first place I've ever heard anyone have the temerity to say that the mental part of golf is "insignificant".

I though mental game was defined by Erik in a previous post as some external/internal situation that makes you "scared", angry, apprehensive or what not.

Mental focus for my swing is limited to my body movement and the small space in front of me when I make my swing. I'm focused on the swing motion and not the potential results. Unless someone yells at me with a megaphone the outcome will either be good or bad based mainly on my swing mechanics and not my "mental state". Or maybe the fact that I've made a lot of reasonably successful swings on the course has given me the confidence? IDK.

As far as my swing, you just have to track my GG shots and you'll see what I mean by crappy. Ignore all the putting for all but the last two full rounds (My last round got messed up because my partners and I decided to jump around the course to play more golf). There are tons of players in my club who are so much better. In fact, more than half of them are much better. Those are good swings.

1 minute ago, Mr. Desmond said:

Is it difficult being the contrarian?

No.

Okay, I admit that 12 golfers over 36 holes is somewhat compelling. Should we ban caffeine?

 

[pumaAttack]

51 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Possibly a bit, but "definitely" is a very strong word for their relationship.

Golf is a thinking sport.  It is not a reaction sport.  

The two, mental and ball-striking, skills depend on each other for success.

 

[Valleygolfer]

4 hours ago, iacas said:

I've read studies about how caffeine is bad for playing golf, too.

The study you cited, I have the magazine, but I'll be curious to see how many people were tested, what methods were used, etc.

But no, you can't ban "caffeine."

Excessive caffeine yes but excessive anything is usually bad. I think Ritalin works along the same lines, maybe not exactly. You cannot ban caffeine but how can you ban other items in the Pro venue even though they are hardly an issue. Obviously if a pro has some caffeine the score would be negligible from his other rounds.

4 hours ago, Lihu said:

3) Caffeine might wake me up in the mornings, but it doesn't help me other than warming me up. I drink espresso and or yerba mate to get my boost, but it doesn't really help my game.

Without a blind study, you can not be sure.

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 I just don't see how it affects a golfers performance to the point where anything but water can be consumed prior to or during a round of golf that will be scored.

I showed you an example of a substance that unknowingly changed peoples outcomes of their round.

 

[Mr. Desmond]

@Lihu

Caffeine can cut both ways -- I say leave it alone and let the idiot who drinks too much get the jitters and screw with his game, and find the woods to relieve himself.

But Don't Touch My Coffee!! lol. 8 oz of coffee may help overcome morning fatigue -- it evens out.

[Lihu]

58 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

Golf is a thinking sport.  It is not a reaction sport.  

The two, mental and ball-striking, skills depend on each other for success.

 

Yes, but ball striking is the main physical aspect of it. I'm still not convinced that mental state would affect my swing as much as you all seem to be thinking?

 

24 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

Excessive caffeine yes but excessive anything is usually bad. I think Ritalin works along the same lines, maybe not exactly. You cannot ban caffeine but how can you ban other items in the Pro venue even though they are hardly an issue. Obviously if a pro has some caffeine the score would be negligible from his other rounds.

Without a blind study, you can not be sure.

I showed you an example of a substance that unknowingly changed peoples outcomes of their round.

 

Not sure we can ban coffee? That doesn't make sense. We also don't fully understand the reason why there was an improvement. Maybe it's just a heightened physical state? We don't really know that doing something like aerobics prior to a round might also have a similar effect?

 

17 minutes ago, Mr. Desmond said:

@Lihu

Caffeine can cut both ways -- I say leave it alone and let the idiot who drinks too much get the jitters and screw with his game, and find the woods to relieve himself.

But Don't Touch My Coffee!! lol. 8 oz of coffee may help overcome morning fatigue -- it evens out.

No problem!

[Valleygolfer]

7 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Maybe it's just a heightened physical state?

You just confirmed it.

[pumaAttack]

23 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Yes, but ball striking is the main physical aspect of it. I'm still not convinced that mental state would affect my swing as much as you all seem to be thinking?

 

You do realize that the mental aspect can CHANGE your physical performance right?

They are not mutually exclusive.

[BlueBallz]

 

i have played golf under most substances, ill list a few

LSD low dose 25-40mg ---Amazing for golf, put's you more in tune with your body and all the forces that govern the golf swing. I think any golfer would benefit from 2 or 3 low dose practice days. Just don't take too much or the ball will start moving and the tree's will sway.

Mushrooms- Micro Dose!!!- same as above just doesn't last as long. Great for rekindling passion with the game, appreciating course design and nature around the course. Good for hotheaded folk's

Modafanil- Great for focus and concentration. If you want a 8/9 hour practice session but feel groggy, this will wipe away the grogginess and make you motivated.

Ritalin/Adderall- Not good, Makes me jittery and comedown 2 hours after ingesting which is not pleasant.

Cannabis- Great for technical work and if you live in a cold wet place it sure makes things more palatable. Sativa is much better than indica for golf. Can make you lazy and overthink things though. 

Coffee- Great mixed with weed as they couteract one another. Can make you jittery and has a crash

Alcohol- Good for a round with some mates but i wouldnt drink if i wanted to work on my game.

Kratom- Great energy booster- enhanced focus and also makes you feel calm. Slight comedown after 4/5 hours. However this is being made illegal in 2 weeks. Too much of a threat to many medictions as this stuff is far superior so of course they must ban it. 

  Ketamine- WOULD NOT RECOMMEND 

 

  I have used these mainly for practice but in some cases i have played competitively on them. A low dose of LSD if my favourite for either a long practice session or a competition. Very important to get the dose right however. I actually shot my best competitive round last year -5 on a small dose of LSD with a small dooby at the turn. Im also a demon at pool on a micro dose.

 

  I think most people are operating far from their potential due to the level of distractions and poor diet. Golf requires diligence and focus, if you need to take a little something to aid this, so be it

   

[Gunther]

9 minutes ago, BlueBallz said:

 

i have played golf under most substances, ill list a few

LSD low dose 25-40mg ---Amazing for golf, put's you more in tune with your body and all the forces that govern the golf swing. I think any golfer would benefit from 2 or 3 low dose practice days. Just don't take too much or the ball will start moving and the tree's will sway.

Mushrooms- Micro Dose!!!- same as above just doesn't last as long. Great for rekindling passion with the game, appreciating course design and nature around the course. Good for hotheaded folk's

Modafanil- Great for focus and concentration. If you want a 8/9 hour practice session but feel groggy, this will wipe away the grogginess and make you motivated.

Ritalin/Adderall- Not good, Makes me jittery and comedown 2 hours after ingesting which is not pleasant.

Cannabis- Great for technical work and if you live in a cold wet place it sure makes things more palatable. Sativa is much better than indica for golf. Can make you lazy and overthink things though. 

Coffee- Great mixed with weed as they couteract one another. Can make you jittery and has a crash

Alcohol- Good for a round with some mates but i wouldnt drink if i wanted to work on my game.

Kratom- Great energy booster- enhanced focus and also makes you feel calm. Slight comedown after 4/5 hours. However this is being made illegal in 2 weeks. Too much of a threat to many medictions as this stuff is far superior so of course they must ban it. 

  Ketamine- WOULD NOT RECOMMEND 

 

  I have used these mainly for practice but in some cases i have played competitively on them. A low dose of LSD if my favourite for either a long practice session or a competition. Very important to get the dose right however. I actually shot my best competitive round last year -5 on a small dose of LSD with a small dooby at the turn. Im also a demon at pool on a micro dose.

 

  I think most people are operating far from their potential due to the level of distractions and poor diet. Golf requires diligence and focus, if you need to take a little something to aid this, so be it

   

WTF?  You recommend LSD to improve your game, with maybe some weed at the turn?  Don't recall seeing that in LSW. 

[pumaAttack]

12 minutes ago, BlueBallz said:

 

i have played golf under most substances, ill list a few

LSD low dose 25-40mg ---Amazing for golf, put's you more in tune with your body and all the forces that govern the golf swing. I think any golfer would benefit from 2 or 3 low dose practice days. Just don't take too much or the ball will start moving and the tree's will sway.

Mushrooms- Micro Dose!!!- same as above just doesn't last as long. Great for rekindling passion with the game, appreciating course design and nature around the course. Good for hotheaded folk's

Modafanil- Great for focus and concentration. If you want a 8/9 hour practice session but feel groggy, this will wipe away the grogginess and make you motivated.

Ritalin/Adderall- Not good, Makes me jittery and comedown 2 hours after ingesting which is not pleasant.

Cannabis- Great for technical work and if you live in a cold wet place it sure makes things more palatable. Sativa is much better than indica for golf. Can make you lazy and overthink things though. 

Coffee- Great mixed with weed as they couteract one another. Can make you jittery and has a crash

Alcohol- Good for a round with some mates but i wouldnt drink if i wanted to work on my game.

Kratom- Great energy booster- enhanced focus and also makes you feel calm. Slight comedown after 4/5 hours. However this is being made illegal in 2 weeks. Too much of a threat to many medictions as this stuff is far superior so of course they must ban it. 

  Ketamine- WOULD NOT RECOMMEND 

 

  I have used these mainly for practice but in some cases i have played competitively on them. A low dose of LSD if my favourite for either a long practice session or a competition. Very important to get the dose right however. I actually shot my best competitive round last year -5 on a small dose of LSD with a small dooby at the turn. Im also a demon at pool on a micro dose.

 

  I think most people are operating far from their potential due to the level of distractions and poor diet. Golf requires diligence and focus, if you need to take a little something to aid this, so be it

   

That's one hell of a first post.

[Valleygolfer]

19 minutes ago, BlueBallz said:

 

 

 

  I think most people are operating far from their potential due to the level of distractions and poor diet. Golf requires diligence and focus, if you need to take a little something to aid this, so be it

   

After all this you are still concerned about your diet? Lol Interesting post, I liked it.

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, Valleygolfer said:

After all this you are still concerned about your diet? Lol Interesting post, I liked it.

Sugar can be quite disruptive to a person.

[Valleygolfer]

Just now, pumaAttack said:

Sugar can be quite disruptive to a person.

Only physically of course...

[pumaAttack]

Just now, Valleygolfer said:

Only physically of course...

Who cares what it does to me mentally.  I have a great swing.

[Keith White]

Why does anyone need alcohol or substances when playing golf.  Just go and play and be strong enough to do the one thing with your full senses and enjoy it. Plenty of time for other stuff when your done swingin.  For some of my buddies it seems drinking beer is the biggest reason for going to golf, I'm the opposite.

[Lihu]

 

Who cares what it does to me mentally.  I have a great swing.

That's great for you. I don't have a great swing, so no matter how great I feel mentally, it won't help (nor detract) from my swing.

 

[Psyber]

 

  Ketamine- WOULD NOT RECOMMEND 

I'm dead