Edel Torque Balanced vs Classic

[brg1875]

Hey guys,

 

I'm sold on doing an Edel putter fitting soon but all the places that fit near me only do the E-Series torque balanced putters and not the classic line. My question is, am I missing out by not having the opportunity to fit for a classic style putter? Also what are you opinions between the torque balanced (toe up) design compared to the classic? The torque balanced seems a little unconventional since it's new but I have the preconceived notion to go with the classic line because I'm not sure how tried and true the torque balanced and toe up truly is.

 

 

[iacas]

I think that if…

• you can be fit really well into the Torque Balanced line and…
• if you like how the Torque Balanced line looks and functions…

… then get a Torque Balanced putter.

There are really only about nine "major" combinations though: three heads and three hosels. Beyond that you can only change the lie and the number of lines on the face. The ability to change the weight of the putter is even more limited than with the Classic line.

You're near Washington, DC so just see my pal Mike Dickson at Congressional:

Mike Dickson

Congressional Country Club
8500 River Road
Bethesda, MD 20817

Phone: 240-372-5644
mdicksonpga@gmail.com

Fitting Systems
Putters, Wedges

[brg1875]

Thanks for the feedback, I was already planning on giving him a call tomorrow to schedule!

[jsgolfer]

On 10/23/2016 at 8:27 PM, iacas said:

I think that if…

• you can be fit really well into the Torque Balanced line and…
• if you like how the Torque Balanced line looks and functions…

… then get a Torque Balanced putter.

There are really only about nine "major" combinations though: three heads and three hosels. Beyond that you can only change the lie and the number of lines on the face. The ability to change the weight of the putter is even more limited than with the Classic line.

You're near Washington, DC so just see my pal Mike Dickson at Congressional:

Mike Dickson

Congressional Country Club
8500 River Road
Bethesda, MD 20817

Phone: 240-372-5644
mdicksonpga@gmail.com

Fitting Systems
Putters, Wedges

 

On 10/23/2016 at 8:53 PM, brg1875 said:

Thanks for the feedback, I was already planning on giving him a call tomorrow to schedule!

I did the fitting with Mike, he was great.  I got both the classic putter and wedges.

[brg1875]

I know this is very subjective and will depend on the person putting but I'm sure @iacas can shed some light on this since he seems to be the resident Edel expert . In your experience have you seen any data on a SAM puttlab to prove that the torque balanced keeps the putter face more square at impact as advertised? I know personally I just need to test the putters and go with which one feels and rolls the best and I'm hoping Mike will have both styles so I can decide in person! When it comes down to it I'm a numbers geek doing research on the front end but at the same time paralysis by analysis can be the death of a golfer, luckily when I'm on the course I get into the zone and just play.

[iacas]

25 minutes ago, brg1875 said:

I know this is very subjective and will depend on the person putting but I'm sure @iacas can shed some light on this since he seems to be the resident Edel expert . In your experience have you seen any data on a SAM puttlab to prove that the torque balanced keeps the putter face more square at impact as advertised? I know personally I just need to test the putters and go with which one feels and rolls the best and I'm hoping Mike will have both styles so I can decide in person! When it comes down to it I'm a numbers geek doing research on the front end but at the same time paralysis by analysis can be the death of a golfer, luckily when I'm on the course I get into the zone and just play.

No.

I don't think the forces involved in putting are at all in play, and don't buy into the entire concept of torque-balanced this or that. The forces involved in a putter rotating around the shaft (or whatever) are very small, and on top of that, we reverse the direction we swing the club (backswing, downswing) which has the effect of helping to cancel out whatever those forces did in the backswing.

I think the Torque-Balanced line is good:

• because they're lower priced than the Classic series.
• because some people like how they look.
• because some people will buy into the "torque stuff," and if they're more confident with it, cool.
• because they're easier to fit and less likely to result in a putter that just looks "weird."

If you fit into a Torque-Balanced putter and like how they look, great. They're good putters.

[Mr. Desmond]

I'd rely on Erik on this subject.

I have a torque balanced E-1 because I aim this mallet great, even with an unobtrusive sight dot. My problem is not aim.

As discussed, there are weight limitations with the head - I think the head is 345g with the 9g weight, and 357 with the 21g weight. - you can quiet your hands/add weight with counterweights and the Big Dog grip that weights 120g.

If I were to counsel someone, I'd say see which putter you aim best, and if the torque balance presents limitations as to weight or other custom features, and you aim another as well - go with the more customization classic line

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Desmond said:

As discussed, there are weight limitations with the head - I think the head is 345g with the 9g weight, and 357 with the 21g weight. - you can quiet your hands/add weight with counterweights and the Big Dog grip that weights 120g.

That's the other thing (I mentioned it earlier I think…?): we routinely fit people into heavier putters than is possible with the Torque Balanced line. Green speeds are faster these days than when the 33"/350g and 35"/330g head weight combination was created.

[colin007]

I am an example of the torque options not being enough. We tried every single combination and we were not able to get my aim inside the cup. The fitter apologized and said he wouldn't sell me a putter that I couldn't aim correctly. Went to another guy who has the full fitting set and that's what was needed for me.

[Mr. Desmond]

As to the torque balance tech, I can't tell you whether it makes a difference. Since I bought one, I wanted it to make a difference, but my results were inconclusive. I tested both types - non torque and torque - and I think it depends on your stroke and tempo whether it makes a difference as to whether the tech benefits you. Yes, so color me as not completely bought into it, but it may depend on the individual golfer.

I will say that my putts roll on line better with the torque balance than my previous classic Edel. And the shape is a better fit -- I can see the line so much better with a mallet. At the same time, I did not completely like the fit. Felt like I had to chase long putts at times -- and that's a problem. I am experimenting with the heavier 21g weight and the Big Dog grip and I don't feel the need to accelerate or chase now.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Mr. Desmond

[brg1875]

Scheduled for my fitting on Tuesday and the fitter should have both the classic and torque to try out. I'm pumped! Now the extremely hard decision of what engravings and color scheme .

[Mr. Desmond]

1 hour ago, brg1875 said:

Scheduled for my fitting on Tuesday and the fitter should have both the classic and torque to try out. I'm pumped! Now the extremely hard decision of what engravings and color scheme .

Not too many choices on the Torque Balance other than initials on the sole or choice of black/satin. Good luck.

[Mr. Desmond]

To resurrect a thread, I've used a Directed Force Putter for 3 months - you remember it - the one that looks like a garden hoe. After 6 rounds, did not feel as if I was holing enough putts - I burned the hole so many times and distance control on longer putts was inconsistent. I aimed it well. Even on the practice green, I was not holing as many as I did with the Edel. WIth the DF, I had a lot of 2 putts and a couple of 3 putts per round, not enough 1 putts or bombs or even 10-15 footers - now part of that is my short game is not presently up to my standards - changing back to my Edel wedges - and putts have been to far to hole. But too many burners and not enough plunks.

But the DF taught me that the Edel E-1 I have with the heaviest weight was possibly a bit too heavy - I traded out the 21g wt for the 9g weight - took it to the practice green and started holing putts more often and closer. Will play it for a couple of months and compare.

Edited November 24, 2017 by Mr. Desmond

[dennyjones]

On 10/28/2016 at 9:52 AM, brg1875 said:

Scheduled for my fitting on Tuesday and the fitter should have both the classic and torque to try out. I'm pumped! Now the extremely hard decision of what engravings and color scheme .

Well...don't leave us hanging...How did the fitting go?  Did you buy a putter?   Details...