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Example. 

Adams blue/Red Hybrid from 2015 are selling at 30 dollars.  Srixon/Cleveland are selling at 50-60, and Callaway are 100-120.  Just Supply and demand? 


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4 hours ago, StefanUrkel said:

Just Supply and demand? 

It's always supply and demand, unless a mimimum price for new clubs is enforced. Here's some internals on the three companies you mentioned. 

According to info from the 2015 St. Louis Golf Expo, Adams had shifted to being the recreational club line and TM = competitive line. Adams new role.

Not sure where you found your prices (maybe used?)... but, on the Adams site, the blue hybrids are going for $60 and the red hybrids for $130.

At the time, Srixon + Cleveland broke out this: Srixon = competitive and Cleveland = recreational. Now, Cleveland  just does wedges and putters, and Srixon covers the full range of other clubs, from the Z355 SGI cavity irons through Z975 musclebacks. I would suspect that any "new" Cleveland hybrids are on house-cleaning clearance.

As for Callaway, the line currently has four hybrid and one utility iron models. These five current models are all north of $200 per club, so the $100 offerings would probably be used, or base XR and earlier on clearance.  C-Preowned has red Big Bertha and BB Alpha hybrids for under $100.

Callaway insiders likewise describe a new product introduction scheme: "Club 102" gets launched when the inventory for "Club 101" (previous model) starts to seriously decline. This avoids the TaylorMade perpetual release trap. But, the smooth release scheme mean that, planning to get your Callaway superclub cheaper by waiting 12 months may become an iffy proposition.

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On 12/21/2016 at 0:53 PM, StefanUrkel said:

Is it wrong to judge clubs based on if any pro is using them?  A pro wouldn't use a recreational club. 

Wrong has nothing to do with it. You need to balance:

  • your goals - if on the line between GI and SGI, how much will you work on your game the next year?
  • your capabilities - get clubs for the swing you have, not the swing you want. What is your HDCP?

If your swingspeed with a driver is 80 MPH, probably not a good idea to order a TaylorMade M1 8.5* driver with a ProjX Hazrdus Yellow 65 shaft, X flex tipped 1".

At the Golfworks school, the instructor pointed out that some pros have won tournaments with UltraGame Improvement irons: Colin Montgomerie won with original Big Berthas, and Rocco Mediate with X22 irons. (Note: I imagine C and R used more robust shafts than the stock offerings on these Callaway irons).

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6 hours ago, WUTiger said:

Wrong has nothing to do with it. You need to balance:

  • your goals - if on the line between GI and SGI, how much will you work on your game the next year?
  • your capabilities - get clubs for the swing you have, not the swing you want. What is your HDCP?

If your swingspeed with a driver is 80 MPH, probably not a good idea to order a TaylorMade M1 8.5* driver with a ProjX Hazrdus Yellow 65 shaft, X flex tipped 1".

At the Golfworks school, the instructor pointed out that some pros have won tournaments with UltraGame Improvement irons: Colin Montgomerie won with original Big Berthas, and Rocco Mediate with X22 irons. (Note: I imagine C and R used more robust shafts than the stock offerings on these Callaway irons).

Get what you need for performance, not what you want for showmanship. The Rolling Stones address this spiritual truth:

 

Excellent post.

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On 12/21/2016 at 1:53 PM, StefanUrkel said:

Is it wrong to judge clubs based on if any pro is using them?  A pro wouldn't use a recreational club. 

They might be branded as a "receational" club, but I can guarantee you that the club has been custom fitted for that pro! There's no way a pro is going out there with a club that doesn't work for him or her, and the club companies feel the same way. They don't want any pro to be seen hacking their way out of contention using their clubs!

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On 12/21/2016 at 1:53 PM, StefanUrkel said:

Is it wrong to judge clubs based on if any pro is using them?  A pro wouldn't use a recreational club. 

Pro's use M2 drivers, which are for all purposes meant for recreational golfers. There are PGA players who plays Pine Eye 2's. Some play AP1's. Jason Day used one of the game improvement Taylormade irons as his driving iron. 

Yes PGA tour players do play recreational clubs. 

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When the clubs come from the same parent company it is 80 percent branding and 20 percent better materials, quality control etc.  Kinda like the VW group.  Skoda, VW, Audi and then Bentley.

When you are talking about different brands the difference can be in quality.

Don't look at what pro's play and decide to buy based on that.  If so, everybody would play like a pro.  More realistic is the fact that pro's could play any equipment and have par or sub par round.  It is their skill and ability to make adjustments that got them up there in the first place

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