2017 SBS Tournament of Champions Discussion

[natureboy]

33 minutes ago, iacas said:

Maybe, but you don't know that. And… the slope could easily have changed. I'd wager it did.

Possibly. The change in color on the green might reflect how water or sun exposure from a different slope affects the direction of grass growth. It was more change in curve than I'd expect from the apparent / visible change in slope.

Could the apparent jog be sort of a 'rising fastball' visual effect where grain change might influence the ball to 'fall' more slowly than expected and basically track more straight than anticipated so appear to curve?

There's also the possibility that the announcer used 'grain' and 'slope' as interchangeable terms which seems to be occurring more frequently. Which used to bug me, but given that you're saying it's usually describing the same thing (they are concurrent on average), it shouldn't.

Edited January 9, 2017 by natureboy

[iacas]

1 minute ago, natureboy said:

Possibly. The change in color on the green might reflect how water or sun exposure from a different slope affects the direction of grass growth. It was more change in curve than I'd expect from the apparent / visible change in slope.

Virtually all grain grows downhill.

[natureboy]

3 minutes ago, iacas said:

Virtually all grain grows downhill.

So if there was a change in slope from the darker patch to the lighter patch such that 'downhill' direction was slightly different on each section could that end up affecting how the grain appears visually? Or are you saying that the grain almost always follows the overall slope of the green as a whole vs. individual sections?

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, natureboy said:

So if there was a change in slope from the darker patch to the lighter patch such that 'downhill' direction was slightly different on each section could that end up affecting how the grain appears visually? Or are you saying that the grain almost always follows the overall slope of the green as a whole vs. individual sections?

Why would I suggest that the grain follows the overall slope of the green? What would a blade of grass know about something 30 feet away from where it's growing? The slope more than likely changed there, coinciding with the change in "color" to the grass.

[Buckeyebowman]

23 minutes ago, iacas said:

Virtually all grain grows downhill.

Interesting! I'd always heard that grain follows the sun, and will usually lay toward the West, Southwest.

That being said, what the Hell was up with NBC cutting away at 5:00PM eastern to show, what? I don't know what showed up on your air, but here it was an infomercial for some lady's cosmetic skin cream! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

In another thread I saw guys saying this was the tourney that "kicks off" their golf season. HUH?! It's a real indication of where it ranks in the golf hierarchy when it can't supplant a lady's skin cream commercial!

Edited January 9, 2017 by Buckeyebowman

[natureboy]

12 minutes ago, iacas said:

Why would I suggest that the grain follows the overall slope of the green? What would a blade of grass know about something 30 feet away from where it's growing? The slope more than likely changed there, coinciding with the change in "color" to the grass.

Didn't seem likely. Just clarifying.

So that's potentially helpful information. Apparent color changes due to different grass blade angled can often be an indication of a slope inflection point and at least worth investigating as such (patches of other grass types or drought / disease will also affect color e.g.). Good to know.

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Interesting! I'd always heard that grain follows the sun, and will usually lay toward the West, Southwest.

The sun moves (you know what I mean). Blades of grass do not.

2 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

That being said, what the Hell was up with NBC cutting away at 5:00PM eastern to show, what? I don't know what showed up on your air, but here it was an infomercial for some lady's cosmetic skin cream! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

It's on Golf Channel now right?

[natureboy]

15 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

That being said, what the Hell was up with NBC cutting away at 5:00PM eastern to show, what? I don't know what showed up on your air, but here it was an infomercial for some lady's cosmetic skin cream! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

In another thread I saw guys saying this was the tourney that "kicks off: their golf season. HUH?! It's a real indication of where it ranks in the golf hierarchy when it can't supplant a lady's skin cream commercial!

This is where having a tighter product on 'time' would help keep it from conflicting with more popular programming and avoid coverage split between the network and Golf Channel.

13 minutes ago, iacas said:

The sun moves (you know what I mean). Blades of grass do not.

The roots don't move, but grasses can exhibit phototropism. On greens the grass stem just don't usually get long enough for it to be noticeable. Close to the surface, grasses typically grow ~ at right angles to the surface which on closely mown surfaces is likely why the grain tends to follow slope.

Edited January 9, 2017 by natureboy

[Buckeyebowman]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

The sun moves (you know what I mean). Blades of grass do not.

It's on Golf Channel now right?

Yes, I know the Sun moves. I also know that plants move to follow the Sun! Been demonstrated time and again!

And, yes, it's on Golf Channel. As I explained on another thread, I used to have the basic package on Dish Network and could buy the Golf Channel a la carte. Then, the powers that be decided that was not satisfactory, and that I needed to buy the "Ultra Premium" package in order to even get the Golf Channel! I decided to say F U to the both of them!

1 minute ago, natureboy said:

This is where having a tighter product on 'time' would help keep it from conflicting with more popular programming and avoid coverage split between the network and Golf Channel.

Look, the tourney is in Hawaii which is, what, 5 hours behind EST? I certainly wouldn't expect them to carry it on the broadcast network to the finish. If that happened at 4PM in Hawaii, that's 9PM Eastern time. Well into prime time. And don't forget, we have the Golden Globules tonight!

All I'm saying is hang with it until 6PM Eastern time! Cut off an hour early for a skin cream commercial? You have to be kidding me!

[iacas]

12 minutes ago, natureboy said:

This is where having a tighter product on 'time' would help keep it from conflicting with more popular programming and avoid coverage split between the network and Golf Channel.

No, this was planned.

12 minutes ago, natureboy said:

The roots don't move, but grasses can exhibit helio/phototropism.

Can. Don't here.

Just now, Buckeyebowman said:

Yes, I know the Sun moves. I also know that plants move to follow the Sun! Been demonstrated time and again!

They don't on the putting green.

Just now, Buckeyebowman said:

All I'm saying is hang with it until 6PM Eastern time! Cut off an hour early for a skin cream commercial? You have to be kidding me!

It was 5-8 on Golf Channel, so I don't see why it matters that they cut it off at 5 instead of 6. There was still a lot of golf left to be played.

[natureboy]

3 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, this was planned.

I know it was planned, but a tighter shorter event might give them the window to get it all in on the same channel before competing events supersede.

[Golfingdad]

I don't know what you guys are talking about - nothing superseded anything ... This was how it was scheduled to air from the beginning.  They did the exact same thing yesterday.

[natureboy]

15 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Yes, I know the Sun moves. I also know that plants move to follow the Sun! Been demonstrated time and again.

Some plants will turn to follow the sun - that's heliotropism. Grasses can start their initial growth (low stem) by bending away from relative shade toward light that's - phototropism.

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Like all plants, turfgrass exhibits phototropism, which is the orientation of a plant or other organism in response to light. However, when maintained at less than 1/8 inch, turf leaves and stems do not change their orientation in relationship to a light source

 

3 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

I don't know what you guys are talking about - nothing superseded anything ... This was how it was scheduled to air from the beginning.  They did the exact same thing yesterday.

I understand it was scheduled that way. But to what purpose - so they could broadcast something more popular to the non-golfing audience after 5pm on the main network, right?

My thought is that if the total event was shorter they could fit the whole thing in on the main network and not do this juggling that creates issues with people who don't have the 'premium package' offering GC while some do. Even the bar I was at couldn't accommodate the switch-over.

Edited January 9, 2017 by natureboy

[Buckeyebowman]

6 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

I don't know what you guys are talking about - nothing superseded anything ... This was how it was scheduled to air from the beginning.  They did the exact same thing yesterday.

No they did not! They ran the network broadcast until 6PM.

And iacas, if you're not really going to bother to read the content of posts, and understand them, why bother quoting?!

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

And iacas, if you're not really going to bother to read the content of posts, and understand them, why bother quoting?!

I read it just fine, thank you.

[Buckeyebowman]

32 minutes ago, iacas said:

I read it just fine, thank you.

You may have read it, but did you bother to understand the content? Thank you!

[iacas]

Just now, Buckeyebowman said:

You may have read it, but did you bother to understand the content? Thank you!

Yep.

Also, I didn't watch much yesterday… but…

http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/tournament-of-champions/tournament/2017.html

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TELECAST:
Thursday - 6pm - 10pm EST GolfChannel
Friday - 6pm - 10pm EST GolfChannel
Saturday - 4pm - 8pm EST GolfChannel
Sunday - 3pm - 5pm EST NBC; 5pm - 7pm EST GolfChannel

According to that it wasn't even on NBC yesterday. Not live, anyway.

[Buckeyebowman]

Well, it was. From 4PM to 6PM on Saturday, and from 4PM to 5PM Sunday, How do I know? My TV was tuned to WKYC, channel 21 on my TV, which is the local NBC affiliate. Plus, I heard the voices of Frank Nobilo and David Feherty, who work for NBC.

In case you missed it, my entire complaint about the NBC network was cutting away from a professional golf telecast early to air a skin cream commercial!

And, in case you're wondering why I'm complaining so vehemently, I will not suffer being misrepresented, nor any attempt to make a fool of me on false pretenses!

And, in case you missed it previously, I DON'T GET THE GOLF CHANNEL!

14 minutes ago, iacas said:

Yep.

Also, I don't think I watched much yesterday… but…

http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/tournament-of-champions/tournament/2017.html

That doesn't even say it was on NBC yesterday at all.

Oh, yes it did! Just looked at it again. Turns out it was on 3PM to 5PM on NBC. Just look to the right of Sunday and you'll see it. Turns out it came on an hour earlier than yesterday, but I didn't catch it because I was too busy watching the Steeler's game. I thought it would come on the same time today.

You really need to read your own stats!