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[QUOTE name="rkim291968" url="/t/70872/bogey-golfer-only-thread-handicap-index-from-16-22-what-are-you-going-through-working-on-sob-stories/756#post_1008471"] Cool. Playing in tournaments will help sharpen your game. It does for me. I record all the rounds, good or bad. If you don't record "some of" your best rounds, that's sandbagging ;-) .[/QUOTE] I need to look at this more carefully. Since I was playing really badly on the front 9, I decided not to score the back 9 for score and shot 6 strokes better than the front 9. However, I did not hit any "practice" balls, but just played normally except that I assumed the score would not go into my handicap. Same goes for a few 42s that I scored. The better scores could also have been a results of less "pressure"? Hopefully this is not sandbagging!

What rounds to record was discussed in this forum before. The gist I took away from it was that, once you start a round, you can't decide in the middle if you are going to record the score or not. If it started out as a practice round, don't record the result. If not, you must record it if you got at least 13 holes in.

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What rounds to record was discussed in this forum before. The gist I took away from it was that, once you start a round, you can't decide in the middle if you are going to record the score or not. If it started out as a practice round, don't record the result. If not, you must record it if you got at least 13 holes in.


That day was weird anyway. Played a decent 42 on the front 9 on the first course, then switched to the other course and shot a horrendous 46 then shot 40 on the back 9.

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Chuckle. I have that kind of day every day. Yesterday, I had 5 pars & 1 birdie which would been ok if I didn't have equal number of triples or worse, most of them on back 9.


It's kind of a pain having two birdies offset by a couple doubles, and net a couple bogies on those 4 holes.

On the other hand the glass is half full too, you can think that your two doubles are offset by two birdies. :beer:

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Currently working on distance control with wedges and accuracy with the driver.

Today (92 Gross) I was hitting my wedges at most 6ft in on the green or sometimes 10ft short costing an extra shot. Saved some with good bump and runs.

Driver was good a few weeks back but I'm struggling with keeping it from getting high and right. Striking is good with it,middle to very slightly out the toe, path is just rubbish.


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Seem to have made some progress on the tempo issue. I was snatching at the transition, making my first move with my hands rather than my lower body. Result, arms too far from my body, swing path out to in, weight not getting forward early enough. Smoothing out the transition and focussing on keeping the right elbow in has got the swing path back on track, and ball-striking has improved. For now, anyway...

The more I practise, the luckier I hope to get.


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Par: 72 Length: 7,012/6,567/ 5,958 /5,333 Slope: 119/117/ 115 /111 Course Rating: 71.9/70.2/69.1/68.3 83. I didn't think that it was going to happen today. It started off bad but it turned around at the 7th hole. I hope that I can break 85 again next week. Last time I hit a goal I didn't do it again for almost a year.

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Par: 72 Length: 7,012/6,567/5,958/5,333 Slope: 119/117/115/111

Course Rating: 71.9/70.2/69.1/68.3

83. I didn't think that it was going to happen today. It started off bad but it turned around at the 7th hole. I hope that I can break 85 again next week. Last time I hit a goal I didn't do it again for almost a year.


Nice, pretty soon we'll have to add on 12 handicaps to this list. ;-)

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Par: 72 Length: 7,012/6,567/5,958/5,333 Slope: 119/117/115/111

Course Rating: 71.9/70.2/69.1/68.3

83. I didn't think that it was going to happen today. It started off bad but it turned around at the 7th hole. I hope that I can break 85 again next week. Last time I hit a goal I didn't do it again for almost a year.


Way to go!!

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I know this thread is supposed to be about improving beyond bogey golf, but for me, that's all I strive to be lately.

1: I rarely have time to hit the range.

2: I'm a terrible putter.

3: I drive the ball short.

All that being said, my game improved a LOT when my Dad told me to play each hole as if bogey was par for me. It relaxed me thinking I have 4 more shots. Or if I screwed up the 2nd, shot, I still had 3 more.

I worked a lot on getting a consistent swing that IF I executed properly would go where I aimed. My irons are decent and almost always I can hit the green if I am 136 yards in.

So, all I do now is practice when I can with my Medicus (don't laugh). I sweep the mat and make sure I have a smooth swing. I also am now practicing putting more.

I am almost always putting for par - but I frequently miss. So I make a lot of bogeys.

I know everyone wants to be better than a bogey golfer, but I am lucky to play a number of Pro Am tournaments here and I don't embarrass myself. I hit a decent drive and decent approach shot. My putting is suspect but every now and then I sink a good one.

I got a book called something like "how short hitting golfers break 90" or something like this and it has been a great book for the course management part.

Right now for me, bogey golf is life.

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Nice job Missouri.

My round this week. I've really been working on moving through the ball on my full swings and finishing on my front foot. I had a really good day striking the ball. Average drive was in the 220's, average to average +. I hit 10 fairways. I hit 9 greens this week, an all time high for me. Now for the bad news. I couldn't put to save my soul, 42. Finished with a 92. Better than average for me but not what the round should have been with the way i was hitting it. Most of my putts were 20 ft. plus, left a bunch of them really short.

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Good recovery!   I need to constantly remind myself of not ending up on my back foot.

Started doing pushups and sit ups to help get in better shape.   I am hoping it leads to added distance.

I would incorporate squats or squat jumps on this.


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Went out and played the other day. I didn't score as low as the other day but I was hitting the ball pretty well. I got to play with a friend that I don't get to hang out with a very much so it was more screwing around than anything. I had a really good time. But my left knee is killing me. I know I was having a problem getting my weight forward but if this is the result of amending that swing fault I don't know how much longer I will be playing golf. The Idea of tearing up my knee has no appeal whatsoever. Has anyone hear had any experience with this?

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I am a little over six weeks back into golf after a six year break.  I'm not currently posting scores, but when I was, my handicap was in the range of this thread.  So, I thought I might  as well chime in.

On the range I'm focusing on sequence, tempo, timing and rhythm.  This is full swing stuff, and not swing mechanics or addressing swing flaws.  It's an exercise in recovering a golf swing.

On the course I'm focusing on getting around in Level Fives.  That's a huge help with the course management.  I'd second the recommendation of the book, "How to Break 90", by Tomasi, Adams and Corcoran.

Sadly, the short game is gone.  I'm no better at reading greens than I am at reading women.  I chip like a chimp.  I'll worry about all that after Labor Day.  And since I'm old enough to be eligible for social security, I figure the short game will come to me.  All my life it's been an article of faith that geezers are deadly inside 40 yards.

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I am a little over six weeks back into golf after a six year break.  I'm not currently posting scores, but when I was, my handicap was in the range of this thread.  So, I thought I might  as well chime in. On the range I'm focusing on sequence, tempo, timing and rhythm.  This is full swing stuff, and not swing mechanics or addressing swing flaws.  It's an exercise in recovering a golf swing. On the course I'm focusing on getting around in Level Fives.  That's a huge help with the course management.  I'd second the recommendation of the book, "How to Break 90", by Tomasi, Adams and Corcoran. Sadly, the short game is gone.  I'm no better at reading greens than I am at reading women.  I chip like a chimp.  I'll worry about all that after Labor Day.  And since I'm old enough to be eligible for social security, I figure the short game will come to me.  All my life it's been an article of faith that geezers are deadly inside 40 yards.

"Geezers are deadly inside 40 yards"? I don't think when you newly retire that this includes you in the domain of "Geezers". I think of "Gabby Hayes" the old prospector as fitting this name.

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I am a little over six weeks back into golf after a six year break.  I'm not currently posting scores, but when I was, my handicap was in the range of this thread.  So, I thought I might  as well chime in. On the range I'm focusing on sequence, tempo, timing and rhythm.  This is full swing stuff, and not swing mechanics or addressing swing flaws.  It's an exercise in recovering a golf swing. On the course I'm focusing on getting around in Level Fives.  That's a huge help with the course management.  I'd second the recommendation of the book, "How to Break 90", by Tomasi, Adams and Corcoran. Sadly, the short game is gone.  I'm no better at reading greens than I am at reading women.  I chip like a chimp.  I'll worry about all that after Labor Day.  And since I'm old enough to be eligible for social security, I figure the short game will come to me.  All my life it's been an article of faith that geezers are deadly inside 40 yards.

I'm five months ahead of you. Restarted playing in January after a similar break. And I too am approaching "geezer" status. If my experience is anything to go by, the short game will not "come to you". I too focussed on tempo and rhythm, and I quite quickly got to hit the ball reasonably well again. Most of the people I play with say I hit the ball better than an 18-handicapper should. But I can't score, because like you I chip like a chimp. My round yesterday started par, birdie, par. At the fourth I was ten feet through the back of the green in two, and took six. That's typical - well, except for the birdie! I should have invested more time from the outset in working on the short game - chipping, putting, bunker play. That's what I'm focussing on now, and until it bears fruit this geezer isn't deadly inside forty yards, he's dead at that distance. LOL.

The more I practise, the luckier I hope to get.


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Since my 82, I have had rounds (in order) of 91, 95, 93, 86 & 87.    So I still have a ways to go to be shooting low to mid 80's a quarter of the time.    Today's round (the 87) included two triples (including one hole I four-putted) and one double bogey.    I hit 11 fairways but only 2 greens.  Thankfully, except for that one 4-putt, I was doing pretty good with the flatstick and the short game as I also had nine 1-putts.

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I've been working on my chipping.    Two of the last three rounds, I've lost almost 14 strokes because I can't chip without either hitting behind the ball or blading it across the green.   Today I did better after reading Dave Stockton's book and Lowest Score Wins.  For whatever reason, even with my weight forward, the ball back in my stance, I can not seem to hit the ball first.    Talk about Separation Value!

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Lihu--

Gabby Hayes, now there was a man to admire.   An early metrosexual role model, and a real chick magnet (as long as he stayed downwind).

Chasm--

I know the short game won't come to me and agree I need to focus on it as all this unfolds.  I think the reason I've always assumed retired guys have good short games is that they've got the time to practice.  I know if I want to find my short game I need to 'practice, practice, practice.'  That must mean, as anyone who has ever taken piano lessons or been related to anyone taking piano lessons knows, that my short game must be somewhere near Carnegie Hall. (That's a reference to the oldest piano teacher joke in the book).


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