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I knew it was coming but.....Thanks for seven great years Urban Meyer.

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Buckeye head football coach is definitely the kind of job that shortens lives.

Urban has earned to right to do whatever he wants. Even if that means he ends up somewhere else in a few years, I got no problem with that. As long as it isn't TTUN.

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  On 12/4/2018 at 1:44 PM, mcanadiens said:

Urban has earned to right to do whatever he wants. Even if that means he ends up somewhere else in a few years, I got no problem with that. As long as it isn't TTUN.

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If he does, I would guess ND in 2-3 years.

I don't think he'll end up coaching again.

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  On 12/4/2018 at 1:52 PM, saevel25 said:

I don't think he'll end up coaching again.

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I agree. He has a cyst on his brain that has been causing headaches and the stresses of coaching can't help that at all.

Also, nice title, @Bucki1968 I get it :-D

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  On 12/4/2018 at 1:52 PM, saevel25 said:

I don't think he'll end up coaching again.

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Maybe not. 

Then again, the guy is only 54 years old and modern medicine might give him something that works. Coaching is all he's ever done. The question is if he can find something else to occupy himself. 

 

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  On 12/4/2018 at 2:12 PM, mcanadiens said:

The question is if he can find something else to occupy himself. 

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He does own a house on and is a member at Muirfield where they have the Memorial Tournament every year, so maybe he should just golf more and join TheSandTrap? I'm sure we'd help him in a swing thread :dance:

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  On 12/4/2018 at 2:12 PM, mcanadiens said:

Then again, the guy is only 54 years old and modern medicine might give him something that works. Coaching is all he's ever done. The question is if he can find something else to occupy himself. 

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There is a provision in his contract that he could take on an administrative role at OSU. This was for after he completed his 5 year contract in 2022. I could see him going back to announcing or taking on a role at the university. His wife is an employee at the Hospital located on campus.

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  On 12/4/2018 at 2:15 PM, klineka said:

He does own a house on and is a member at Muirfield where they have the Memorial Tournament every year, so maybe he should just golf more and join TheSandTrap? I'm sure we'd help him in a swing thread :dance:

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  On 12/4/2018 at 2:21 PM, saevel25 said:

There is a provision in his contract that he could take on an administrative role at OSU. This was for after he completed his 5 year contract in 2022. I could see him going back to announcing or taking on a role at the university. His wife is an employee at the Hospital located on campus.

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Certainly. In the short term, the man has a lot of options. I'm just having a really hard time imagining him content behind a microphone or a desk beyond a year or two..

 
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Urban is 26-2 in rivalry games, https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/12/100258/urban-meyer-leaves-ohio-state-with-one-of-the-most-remarkable-head-coaching-records-in-football-history

Urban has the highest winning % of any coach in the FBS with over 10 years of head coaching experience.

Good to hear Day is keeping on the cogs that keep the OSU Football Machine turning, https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/12/100255/mickey-marotti-mark-pantoni-ryan-stamper-and-brian-voltolini-expected-to-remain-under-ryan-day-per-report

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Mariotti is huge, he's one of the best strength and conditioning coaches out there.

 

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Sad day? Are you f***ing kidding me? Did we all forget that Meyer ignored domestic violence by one of his assistants for years? And while that was happening, he wrote a book about Lessons of Leadership! He can't even live up to what he holds his players to:

Urban was lucky not be fired for cause earlier this year. He's a piece of shit who values winning above everything. Good riddance.

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  On 12/4/2018 at 2:53 PM, DeadMan said:

He's a piece of shit who values winning above everything

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Nobody would argue that it was handled in the best fashion. For however much blame you want to lay on Meyer, winning had little to do with it.

Zach Smith was someone Meyer felt an obligation towards based on his relationship with Earle Bruce. If winning was above all else, Smith probably would have gone much earlier. From what I hear, he was a bit of a screw up. He was regularly late to meetings. He blew off recruiting visits and kept getting chance after chance. 

Poor judgement, over-reliance on other authorities and misplaced loyalty are all factors here. Simply winning was not. 

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 By the way.....How did Zach Smith make out in court over his domestic abuse case? Never hear much about that. I wonder why?

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  On 12/4/2018 at 3:15 PM, mcanadiens said:

Nobody would argue that it was handled in the best fashion. For however much blame you want to lay on Meyer, winning had little to do with it.

Zach Smith was someone Meyer felt an obligation towards based on his relationship with Earle Bruce. If winning was above all else, Smith probably would have gone much earlier. From what I hear, he was a bit of a screw up. He was regularly late to meetings. He blew off recruiting visits and kept getting chance after chance.  

Poor judgement, over-reliance on other authorities and misplaced loyalty are all factors here. Simply winning was not.  

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Maybe you're right, and Zach Smith was definitely an awful coach, but it doesn't change the fact that Meyer is a POS for ignoring at all. But, it goes well beyond just ignoring domestic violence at OSU. At Florida, he had 31 players arrested in 6 years at head coach. He had an actual murderer on his team. Ignoring character flaws for some purpose is clearly Meyer's MO.

  On 12/4/2018 at 3:19 PM, Bucki1968 said:

 By the way.....How did Zach Smith make out in court over his domestic abuse case? Never hear much about that. I wonder why?

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He, uh, pled guilty, and now his wife has a 3 year protection order against him: 

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Zach Smith, a former Ohio State assistant, has taken a plea deal to resolve criminal charges. Smith's ex-wife, Courtney Smith, was granted a...

 

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  On 12/4/2018 at 3:30 PM, DeadMan said:

Maybe you're right, and Zach Smith was definitely an awful coach, but it doesn't change the fact that Meyer is a POS for ignoring at all. But, it goes well beyond just ignoring domestic violence at OSU. At Florida, he had 31 players arrested in 6 years at head coach. He had an actual murderer on his team. Ignoring character flaws for some purpose is clearly Meyer's MO.

He, uh, pled guilty, and now his wife has a 3 year protection order against him: 

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Zach Smith, a former Ohio State assistant, has taken a plea deal to resolve criminal charges. Smith's ex-wife, Courtney Smith, was granted a...

 

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Yes....disorderly conduct and criminal trespassing. By the way....the trespassing was for dropping his kids off in front of her house. I don't see anywhere in there a mention of domestic abuse? So I guess he, uh, plead guilty to disorderly conduct? Uh....uh.......uh....?????  As I stated earlier....I don't think the truth about this will ever come out. Maybe we can get the answer from the President at Ohio State. Then again...what does any of this have to do with Urban Meyer's coaching record at Ohio State? I understand that some people just don't like Urban just like some people don't like Nick Saban. I have been a football coach for 16 years and all I am saying (as an Ohio State fan) is that he has been a great coach, recruiter, and graduated his players. All the coaches I have met from Ohio State have been good guys who love to coach college kids and they all try to do what is in the best interest of their players (same as probably 99% of all the coaches in America). 

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  On 12/4/2018 at 3:30 PM, DeadMan said:

Maybe you're right, and Zach Smith was definitely an awful coach, but it doesn't change the fact that Meyer is a POS for ignoring at all. But, it goes well beyond just ignoring domestic violence at OSU.

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Let's look at that claim, Did Urban ignore domestic violence. It comes down to the question, at what point do you believe someone committed domestic violence. Also, should someone be fired if someone claims that person committed domestic violence?

Urban was aware of the investigation by the Powell Police on Zach Smith in 2015. He was aware that no chargers were filed against Zach Smith and at that time he assumed the issue to be closed. This is not a good assumption to make, but it is a common one made. Why should Zach be fired in 2015 when the police didn't even charge Zach Smith? We know that there is a lot of domestic violence abusers who never get charged, but there is also a chance that there wasn't any domestic abuse. There is evidence that shows that Courtney Smith is not a credible person. Her own mother claimed that she would initiate confrontations with Zach and physically abuse Zach while he just stood there and did nothing. Her mother and others have said that Courtney told them that she would do anything to get Zach fired from his job.

Let's not forget that Brett McMurphy has retracted a few statements where he embellished or outright lied in his articles. His credibility is extremely low. His recent article about a former OSU player who transferred of the team wouldn't even be published by any mainstream sports networks because it had no fact checking review process. The claims in the article had no credibility. He still went ahead and found a no name sports website to publish his article anyways.

Still, we know that Zach Smith's conduct at Ohio State was not good and it should have gotten him fired. Urban kept him on the staff because he was Earl Bruce's grandson, a mentor to Urban.

In the end, Urban did not believe that Zach Smith committed domestic violence because he was never charged. Which again isn't the best logic to use, but do you wreck a persons career based on claims from what you may believe is a non-credible person.

  On 12/4/2018 at 3:30 PM, DeadMan said:

At Florida, he had 31 players arrested in 6 years at head coach. He had an actual murderer on his team. Ignoring character flaws for some purpose is clearly Meyer's MO.

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At Ohio State how many players were arrested?

I will say that his choice of players at Florida was not good. I can not deny those numbers. He clearly changed that aspect when he went to Ohio State.

  On 12/4/2018 at 3:30 PM, DeadMan said:

He, uh, pled guilty, and now his wife has a 3 year protection order against him: 

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Did you read the article?

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According to Delaware Municipal Court records, a criminal trespassing charge against Smith was reduced to disorderly conduct. The charge was filed based on a complaint filed by Smith's ex-wife.

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He was never charged with domestic violence. All he was trying to do was return his kids to Courtney because his time was up with them.

  On 12/4/2018 at 3:30 PM, DeadMan said:

He had an actual murderer on his team.

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You are saying that because a player decided to commit murder after college that Urban should be blamed in someway? That makes total sense.

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  On 12/4/2018 at 4:10 PM, Bucki1968 said:

Yes....disorderly conduct and criminal trespassing. By the way....the trespassing was for dropping his kids off in front of her house. I don't see anywhere in there a mention of domestic abuse? So I guess he, uh, plead guilty to disorderly conduct? Uh....uh.......uh....?????  As I stated earlier....I don't think the truth about this will ever come out. Maybe we can get the answer from the President at Ohio State.

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You're ignoring the protection order, along with mounds of other evidence that Zach Smith abused his wife and that Urban knew about it. Maybe this one incident wasn't technically domestic abuse. That doesn't exculpate Meyer or Smith at all.

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Then again...what does any of this have to do with Urban Meyer's coaching record at Ohio State? I understand that some people just don't like Urban just like some people don't like Nick Saban. I have been a football coach for 16 years and all I am saying (as an Ohio State fan) is that he has been a great coach, recruiter, and graduated his players. All the coaches I have met from Ohio State have been good guys who love to coach college kids and they all try to do what is in the best interest of their players (same as probably 99% of all the coaches in America). 

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It doesn't have any thing to do with Urban's record on the field at OSU. I think it's pathetic that you think it's a "sad day" that he's leaving. OSU debased itself by letting him continue to coach. OSU is a good school, and it shouldn't be represented by pieces of shit like Urban Meyer.

  On 12/4/2018 at 4:11 PM, saevel25 said:

Let's look at that claim, Did Urban ignore domestic violence. It comes down to the question, at what point do you believe someone committed domestic violence. Also, should someone be fired if someone claims that person committed domestic violence?

Urban was aware of the investigation by the Powell Police on Zach Smith in 2015. He was aware that no chargers were filed against Zach Smith and at that time he assumed the issue to be closed. This is not a good assumption to make, but it is a common one made. Why should Zach be fired in 2015 when the police didn't even charge Zach Smith? We know that there is a lot of domestic violence abusers who never get charged, but there is also a chance that there wasn't any domestic abuse. There is evidence that shows that Courtney Smith is not a credible person. Her own mother claimed that she would initiate confrontations with Zach and physically abuse Zach while he just stood there and did nothing. Her mother and others have said that Courtney told them that she would do anything to get Zach fired from his job.

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You're missing the 2009 incident that Urban Meyer knew about. And you're making the false assumption that Urban's only choices were to fire or retain Zach Smith. OSU is a world-class university. There are resources on campus that could help him handle it better. But his hubris was to decide everything by himself, and hope that his one-on-one counseling session in 2009 was enough.

By the way, please reevaluate your perspective on Courtney Smith not being a credible person. We have no idea if that's true, but it's also a common trope to paint the victim of domestic abuse as crazy and unbelievable.

  On 12/4/2018 at 4:11 PM, saevel25 said:

Let's not forget that Brett McMurphy has retracted a few statements where he embellished or outright lied in his articles. His credibility is extremely low. His recent article about a former OSU player who transferred of the team wouldn't even be published by any mainstream sports networks because it had no fact checking review process. The claims in the article had no credibility. He still went ahead and found a no name sports website to publish his article anyways. 

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Ad hominem and irrelevant to whether Urban Meyer knew and ignored domestic violence.

  On 12/4/2018 at 4:11 PM, saevel25 said:

At Ohio State how many players were arrested? 

I will say that his choice of players at Florida was not good. I can not deny those numbers. He clearly changed that aspect when he went to Ohio State.

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His players were definitely arrested less times at OSU than at Florida. Low bar, though, and his players weren't perfect.

  On 12/4/2018 at 4:11 PM, saevel25 said:

You are saying that because a player decided to commit murder after college that Urban should be blamed in someway? That makes total sense.

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Yeah, when his player is implicated in a double shooting (after being in a bar fight earlier that same year), and he doesn't do anything, I'm going to blame him. He really showed his Lessons in Leadership by not doing anything to Hernandez.

It's easy to explain away all of these things individually, as you're trying to do. When you look at the whole picture, it's not a pretty one.

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