ay33660

As stated our time standard is a maximum of 4:10 this is stated in our policies. While not explicitly stated in the policies it is expected that those groups in the first hour are expected to finish in 3:50 or less. Sorry but I am not really sure what your point was in the reply but you asked about our time standard. We don't have separate standards for women groups or for low cappers this applies to everyone. We also have a 9 minute interval between groups. This time limit applies to sunny summer weekend afternoons just as it applies to raining winter mid days. And the penalties apply to everyone in the group. Warning letters for first offense following by penalties of denial of one week, one month and more booking privileges. All time slips must be turned into the pro shop. They have to match it against the day's tee sheet to ensure completeness. Overall it is a bit draconian but it certainly works. Mind you we do not publish the name of those who offend. They just get a letter from the Board of Directors.

I voted YES. But I am one of those outsiders that would like to see ALL caddies banned from the professional game. This way when the Pros game goes sideways there is no one bring them back from the brink. Also I would like to see all pros push or carry their own bags. I know this would never happen but just my own opinion.

Actually at my course we have to punch in and punch out a time slip using a time clock. The time slip has to be turned in at the end of the round. If a time slip is not turned in it is the same as playing a round over the allotted time and you will receive a letter or penalties from the Board. The allotted time for a round at our course is 4:10 during the day. Those in the first hour of the day are required to complete the round 3:50. It works.

Agree with the vast majority here. I could not care less. I am not one of those golfers who believes you need to play by the rules all the time and looks down on those that don't. I play with lots of members who just enjoy the walk and the companionship. So foot wedges, play OB as lateral, throw the ball out of the bunker if you can't get it out on the first try etc all good with me as long was you are enjoying yourself. As for myself I follow all of the rules of golf to the best of my abilities (I'm sure that I mess up a drop or ruling on occasion) when I post my score for handicap purposes.

Wow !!!!!!! Up to now it only cost £15,000 initiation fee to join that club. I'm am serious when I say that is a GREAT deal. That is only CAD$30,000. There are 5 private golf clubs in Vancouver. Three of those clubs have initiation fees of CAD$80,000 to CAD$100,000. My club has initiation fees of CAD$50,000. NONE of those clubs come even close to the prestige of Wentworth.

Picked up my MP 25 today. Was late when I got to the range so only hit a few of the irons. PW and 9 irons similar to my old MX 23. The 4 and 6 irons definitely do not feel as "soft" as my MX 23. Can't really tell if there are distance differences as hitting range balls. The head is noticeably smaller than the MX 23.

More ....

“Phil made the mistake of violating the one-ball condition and we made the mistake of not telling him he could continue to play the hole,” PGA Tour vice president of rules and competition Mark Russell said." A committee, one of who's member is the PGA tour vice president of rules and competition, could not interpret a ruling properly ......... how the hell do I stand a chance in my normal round?

I have no issues with the one ball rule. I do have an issue with the retroactive nature of the penalty in match play. Team A is one up teeing off the 18th. By normal accounts they are "dormie". The 18th is halved so Team A wins the match ..... or do they? Upon picking up his ball on the 18th green one left handed member of Team A discovers that he has been playing the wrong ball for at least the last 3 holes (for example he remembers that he switched balls on a Par 5 three holes ago). Team B wins the match due to the two hole penalty. Or do I have the math wrong?????? Team A would have won by one hole but when we apply the two hole penalty they have actually lost by one hole.

Early fall in Vancouver.

Personally I do think there are a few unreasonable rules in golf. I found this summary post by The South Dakota High School Activities Association and I keep a print out in my golf bag. http://www.sdhsaa.com/athletics/boyssports/golf/18mostmisunderstoodrulesofgolf.aspx Red Lateral Hazard Option 1 - Play it from the hazard Option 2 - Replay the shot from the original position, incurring a stroke and distance penalty Option 3 - Draw a line from the hole to where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard and drop anywhere behind that point keeping the point between you and the hole, incurring a one-shot penalty Option 4 - Go to the point where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard and drop within two (2) club lengths, no nearer the hole, on either side of the hazard, incurring a one-shot penalty Yellow Water Hazard Option 1 - Play it from the hazard Option 2 - Replay the shot from the original position, incurring a stroke and distance penalty Option 3 - Draw a line from the hole to where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard and drop anywhere behind that point keeping the point between you and the hole, incurring a one-shot penalty Lost Ball or Out-of-Bounds After looking for a maximum of five (5) minutes, you must go back to where the shot was originally played from and replay, incurring a stroke and distance penalty. Unplayable Lie Option 1 - Take two (2) club lengths relief, no closer to the hole and assess a one-stroke penalty Option 2 - Replay the shot from the original position, incurring a stroke and distance penalty Option 3 - Take the ball back as far as you want, keeping the point where the ball lays between you and the hole, incurring a one-shot penalty Improving Your Swing Path You cannot bend, break, or hack anything growing or fixed if it improves your lie, your stance, or your area of intended swing. The penalty for doing so is loss of hole in Match Play or a two-shot penalty in Stroke Play. Unplayable Lie in a Bunker Option 1 - Take a drop of no more than two (2) club lengths no closer to the hole, but still in the bunker, incurring a one-shot penalty Option 2 - Replay the shot from the original position, incurring a stroke and distance penalty Option 3 - Go back as far as you like in the bunker and drop, keeping that spot where your ball laid between you and the hole. This incurs a one-shot penalty. Removing Objects in a Bunker You may not move or remove any loose impediments in the bunker unless they are foreign to the area. For example, you may remove a candy wrapper, but may not remove a pine cone or tree branch. Number of Allowed Clubs You are only allowed to carry 14 clubs in your bag. The penalty for carrying more than 14 clubs in Match Play is loss of hole (maximum of two holes). In Stroke Play, the penalty is two (2) strokes per hole (maximum of two holes/four shots). Casual Water Find your nearest point of relief, no closer to the hole where neither you or your ball lie in water that can be seen without pressing your feet up and down. You may then drop your ball within one (1) club length from that point, no nearer to the hole at no penalty. Grounding Your Club in a Hazard Practice swings may be taken inside a hazard as long as you don’t touch the ground, sand, or water with your club. The top of the grass may be touched during a practice swing. The penalty for grounding your club is loss of the hole in Match Play or a two-shot penalty in Stroke Play. Accidentally Moving Your Ball There is a one-stroke penalty for accidentally moving your ball and it must be replaced in its original position before hitting. There is another one-stroke penalty for hitting the ball from the wrong place if it is not replaced. There is no penalty for accidentally moving the ball when on the tee. Removing Loose Impediments If, in moving loose impediments, you accidentally move your ball, you must return the ball to its original position and penalize yourself one (1) stroke. Asking for Advice It is against the rules of golf to ask an opponent what club they have hit. The penalty for this breach is loss of hole in Match Play, or a two-shot penalty in stroke play. Ball on a Cart Path You are entitled to free relief. Step #1 - Determine the “nearest point of relief”. This is the point where the ball would lay affording the player both swing and stance from the cart path. Step #2 - you are entitled to one (1) club length relief from the point where the ball would lie once full relief is taken. Step #3 - After dropping, the ball may roll up to two (2) club lengths no closer to the hole. Changing Club Characteristics Clubs may not be altered in any way once play has begun. If a club is altered during the normal course of play, such as bending it after hitting a tree while attempting to hit the ball, the club may be taken to the shop for immediate repair and a replacement club may be used until the original club is repaired. If the club is modified outside the normal course of play, such as breaking or bending it in a fit of anger, it must be taken out of play for the remainder of the match. Should it be used again, the penalty is disqualification, whether Match or Stroke Play. How to Drop the Ball After determining the nearest point of relief, you may stand outside the drop area, no closer to the hole, and extend your hand to the side dropping the ball from shoulder height. The ball may roll up to two (2) club lengths no closer to the hole. If the ball rolls farther than that, you must re-drop. If, after dropping two times, the ball continues to roll past two (2) club lengths, you must place the ball where it first touched the ground. Repairing the Line of Your Putt You may repair any ball marks in your line and remove any pebbles or foreign objects in your line, provided you do it with your hand or club. You may not fix spike marks or fan the ground with a towel or cap to remove sand or foreign objects. The penalty for doing so is loss of hole in Match Play or a two-shot penalty in Stroke Play. Hitting the Wrong Ball The penalty for hitting the wrong ball in Match Play is loss of hole. If both players hit the wrong ball, only the first player to do so would be penalized as that would be the end of the hole. The penalty for hitting the wrong ball in Stroke Play for either player is two (2) strokes and the original ball must be replayed from its original position. Lately the rules infractions that seem to get into the most discussion are on TV .... player accidentally moves the ball the the width of a hair, it is caught by the high def camera and seen by a viewer who had to zoom in and replay it in super slow motion, player signs card and it turn out to be wrong as he didn't penalize himself for moving the ball and is disqualified. Can wait till we get "super high def" TV so we can see movement of less than the width of a hair and wait for some moron to call it in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes you are correct it did not specifically say that I drew the inference from this quote in the newspaper article - “They just have some really strict rules here that only players can ride in a cart,” Roxburgh said in a telephone interview. “I gave our scorer a ride and that was enough to get two shots. They were quite strict in their literature about caddies not riding and things like that. In other words because only the player is authorized to ride in the cart the player was assessed a two stroke penalty for allowing the walking scorer to ride in the cart (and thus the walking scorer was not authorized to ride in the cart). Bad writing on my part. But beyond my bad writing style what I really want to know is how allowing the walking scorer to ride in the player's cart does this offer up an advantage to the player such that a two stroke penalty needs to be assessed? Will the scorer give the player a better score ????????? Just kidding don't look this up.

In this case the golfer was qualified to use a cart. His caddie was not qualified to ride in a cart and the golfer did not give a ride to his caddie as this would not be allowed. He gave a ride to the walking scorer in his group. The walking scorer was not qualified to ride in a cart and thus the golfer was penalized. As you quoted the player or caddie must walk the course unless authorized by the committee. Again this was the walking scorer essentially an official of the tournament. I wonder what would happen if a rules official asked for a ride???????

Thanks. I will report on them when I get them in a couple of weeks. I looked at the 850 Forged but while I could hit them ok I did not like the "busy" design. I was almost going to pull the trigger on the 850 last year. Unlike those that play on the right side, there is a very limited selection of MP clubs for the lefties.

To the OP is this guy a good friend off the golf course. One of my best friends always improves his lie in the rough. Great guy off the course and I always enjoy golfing with him. I just don't ever bet with him on the course. It sounds like this guy is not really someone you want to hang with off the course.

Just ordered a set of MP 25 4 - PW with the Nippon NS Pro 950 - R shafts. They are going to replace my MX-23 which I have had for over 8 years. The finish is starting to come off my MX-23s and the groves are getting worn out in my 8, 9 and PW. The pro (looks to be 25ish) doing my fitting had not heard of the MX-23s and was shocked that people actually kept the same irons for over 2 years. Was going to compare the MP 54 with the MP 25 but was told I could no longer order the MP 54s. So the MP 25 were the only MP irons available for the left handed golfer. They did not have a set available to demo and could only hit the 6 iron that they use to fit you with the different shafts. I have no idea how they will really perform so I am hoping for the best. They sure look good.

Just came across this while reading today's local paper. IAN SMITH/VANCOUVER SUN Doug Roxburgh is not only British Columbia’s most accomplished amateur golfer, he is also one of the nicest people you will ever met. Doug Roxborough was penalized for giving a ride to a scorer at the U.S. Senior Amateur Championship. This weekend, being a good guy cost him two strokes. Roxburgh, a 13-time B.C. Amateur champion and member of both the B.C. and Canadian Golf Halls of Fame, is competing in the U.S. Senior Amateur Championship in Egg Harbor Township, N.J. In Saturday’s first round, Roxburgh was assessed a two-shot penalty for giving the scorer in his group a ride between holes in his golf cart. Golf’s got some crazy rules, but two shots for being a Good Samaritan? Roxburgh could only laugh about it on Sunday. “They just have some really strict rules here that only players can ride in a cart,” Roxburgh said in a telephone interview. “I gave our scorer a ride and that was enough to get two shots. They were quite strict in their literature about caddies not riding and things like that. “It’s my fault, I should have been more diligent about it and said no. I wanted to help out this guy, a volunteer, and it ended up costing me two shots.” I think this is a rule just for the US Senior Amateur Championship but he didn't give his caddie a ride ONLY the walking scorer in his group. This scorer is probably a volunteer who is also senior in age so he ask Roxburgh for a ride to the next hole. It would seem to be that the scorer is also technically an official of the tournament so why prohibition?

Really ..... match play golf is a game of honor, not a game of deception and trickery. Now I am certainly not a match play expert as I only play in two match play club tournament a year but what I have observed in my matches - opponents driving shorter than me so they have first shot into the green to put extra pressure on me, opponents giving me a few two footers in the beginning of the match but making me putt out when the getting near the end of the match. I guess there is a fine line between strategy and deception and trickery. I have a hard time telling them apart. As to your comment about Allison being able to replace the ball and to putt out. Wasn't there a referee right there and in a fact was whom SP was talking to. Why didn't he tell Allison to replace the ball and to putt out. Why no heat on the referee????? Lee ****ed up as the putt was never conceded but no heat on her. There are many instances whereby opponents ran off toward the next hole before everyone holes out ... even the Americans have done it before. Premature celebration The U.S. team spent the night before the Ryder Cup singles matches in 1999 listening to inspirational speeches from, among others, then Texas Gov. George Bush. Then the Americans came out and dominated the final day to come back from a 10-6 deficit to beat Europe. When Justin Leonard holed a 40-footer on the 17th hole to seemingly clinch the win he ran around the green and was swarmed by caddies, wives and teammates. Almost forgotten was that Jose Maria Olazabal still had a putt to tie, which he missed after the green was cleared. 2013 Solheim Cup Michelle Wie walked off the green after making a putt on the 16th hole of her fourball match Saturday with Jessica Korda against Europe's Caroline Masson and Caroline Hedwall. The problem was that Masson and Hedwall still hadn't putted yet. Wie and Korda ended up halving the hole and they lost the match 2 & 1 on the 17th Finally what about the incident in 2000 ...... Annika’s chip Annika Sorenstam celebrated holing a chip in the 2000 Solheim Cup she thought had evened her fourball match, only to be in tears moments later. The U.S. team was desperately trying to cut into a big European lead, and American Kelly Roberts said Sorenstam had played out of turn. U.S. captain Pat Bradley backed her up. Sorenstam had to hit the chip again, missed and would go on to lose two matches that day. The Europeans would win the cup, but there were plenty of bad feelings about the American move. I guess that is application of the rules and not deception and trickery so it is different from what happened with SP.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hardspoon I don't think anyone has a problem with them not conceding the putt in the first place. The issue is that they turned their backs and walked away from the green before she completed the hole. Even if she had gone ahead and finished the hole and made the putt, it would still be poor sportsmanship - we just wouldn't have ever heard about it. I have seen players walk off the green and towards the next hole prior to their competitor's holing out in Solheim, Ryder and President's Cup tournaments all the time. The only reason this is in the discussion is because of Lee picking up when the hole was not conceded. I recall Michelle Wie running off the green in a previous Solheim Cup .... http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golftalkcentral/wie-apologizes-leaving-green-early-solheim-cup/ So it is more common than just this one time.

Not sure if this is true as I have not seen any confirmation of this. If it is true that Alison was previously warned then it would seem to me that it may be deliberate move by Alison to not want to putt out the short putts for fear of missing them. Regardless it is Alison fault if the putt was not conceded. I also don't know why this is considered poor sportsmanship. The concession of putts is an integral part of match play tactics.

In the summer I golf almost every night after work till sun down. I have a regular game every Saturday, Sunday and holiday morning. Three weeks ago I played 10 days in a row. That was bordering on too much golf ! I also go on at least three golf trips a year with the guys. Of course when my kids were younger I was limited in the amount of golf and basically played only one or two days a week and never on the weekend. But now we are empty nesters. Some reasons why I think my wife tolerates / supports my golf addiction: 1. She has stated that golf is my mistress so I suppose that is better than a real mistress. 2. She has LOTS of friends and they are always going out on weekends etc. 3. She is still very active in sports and plays regularly in organized team leagues two to three nights a week. 4. She also plays in out of town / out of country tournaments or sports camps several times a year. 5. She plays golf very well (close to a single cap) but does not want to play it seriously until she can no longer play more active sports. We do golf vacations together and she seems to genuinely enjoy them. She is very very competitive so our games are full of betting. So I think she understands my golf addiction. In summary I think the secret to having a spouse that supports your golf addiction is to make sure that YOU are not the center of her universe and she has lots of other interests that she can do without you. I know that may sound bad to some who do everything together and I certainly am not implying that we not nothing together but we certainly do have our separate interests.

I have a friend that lives in Reno and attends that tournament every year. He says that the "hitch" is only there when he tee's it up at the course. There is no hitch at the driving range. Good to see the video was at the tee and not at the range.

Wow looks like the MODS had a field day and censored most the more lively discussions on the Donald and the tread where the MODS would like us to migrate to has recently turned into a discuss on Greece .... interesting. Best to make my point on the Donald and golf quickly before this reply is clipped. I don't think that Donald is good for golf because he constantly wants to take the game upscale. This is pure jealousy on my part because I am an avid golfer and frankly while I would like to play at the Trump courses I cannot afford it. Paying $250 or more for a round is not something that I nor the majority of golfers can afford. This is certainly no way to grow or maintain participation in the game of golf.

Well this is getting way off topic so I will keep it short but I am almost 100% certain that back in the days of the Mayflower there was no legislative government establishing immigration laws. If there were no laws then they would not be illegal immigrants.

Just need some clarity here with your statement "illegal immigrants are still immigrants". Are you saying there is no difference between an illegal immigrant and an immigrant that had followed all the procedures and has been approved for immigration by the government? Because to me the fact that they are in the US illegally makes them criminals PERIOD. Otherwise why the hell should any country have immigration laws ....... heck just let everyone in why have a border. I think there is a huge difference when the press or politician leave out the word "illegal".