IceDave

I do not know how many "conversations" I've had with one of my clubs "specialsts" on the putting stroke. Trying to counter their short backstroke/long throughstroke is almost a lost cause. This post is really nice input for my next conversation. I started golf with a short backstroke, and was encouraged to accelerate through the ball on all putts. It is just like you described Erik, on longer putts I was totally useless. My pro had me do absurd long backstrokes to work me out of my habit. Took me months to get a good feeling, but today I consider myself ok on lag putts, and three-putts more an exception than the rule. Encourage anyone who is struggling with lag putting to read this post.

Had the same issue couple of years ago. The real solution to me was knowing I was regripping and working on eliminating that. Took some time though for me.

I use it in my putting. My routine is eyeing a spot on the intended line and try to align the line on the ball to that target. Get back behind the ball to assess move if necessary, align putter with the line on the ball. Keep eyes on ball and stroke. At first it took some time and patience. This is more important as you are closer like 15 feet and within. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

Take it one shot at a time (I'll count for you)

Curing this can take some time, so the only advice is patience and keep at it.

Don't know if it helps but I start s****ing when I move my upper body in the downswing towards the target. Used to have a severe over the top swing to add to the problem. But now the only time I get the shanks is when i do the upper body downswing move. Hope this is understandable and helps...

Yes I do agree SBST was not the best name for it but the idea of Pelz I would believe is that you would try to hold the face as square as possible relative to the aim line during the stroke. Read both Pelz and Utley and have tried both approaches. Too me, and here I might be totally wrong, I think people have to basically look at these teachings as references for their own strokes. At least that was my finding. If you would analyse my stroke you would probably say I'm some kind of a mutant between these two approaches, breaking rules left and right, but that seems to work for me. My putting has been much better since I decided to use some ideas from Pelz and others from Utley. I cannot for example use a face balanced putter, and always end up with the same putter design (slight toe hang). And to my "amazement" when I consult my pro for help with my putting, there are always the same 2 things that are the basis for all my problems, aim and stance. If you break that rule, then no matter what grip, stroke or putter type you apply you will always have an uphill battle getting the ball on the right line. If there would be a 700 page putting book / bible focusing totally on aim and stance, that would be my book of preference regarding putting.

I think I'm in the arc group, but to me it is just a matter of opinion/belief if you go SBST/Arc. After a lot of putting drills to me the most important thing of putting is aim and setup. Issues that never get discussed, so many mess up, and focus on other things. But again, I think I'm an arc.

I know this is an old thread, but I just bought me a Odyssey #1 i Black series and am loving it. I bought it used (to me it was a bargain I could not refuse) and even still it almost looks brand new. I tried out almost everything before going for this purchase, the new TaylorMade putters that have just been released, SeeMore, Scotty, Cleveland, Rife and almost every Odyssey model. Even though I had my mind set on going for a bigger putter head, preferably a mallet, I ended up with basically the same shape as in my old putter. It is my first putter shift since I got my Scotty in 2007, and although the design is similar, the insert, design and weight distribution of the Odyssey suits me much better, and I see a drastic improvement in my putting stats. If you see one of these give them I try, you will not regret it.

Having seen some excellent putters, it seems to be based on belief, skill and a lot of practice. You've got to believe that ball will fall into the hole. The worst putters I've seen have all broken the belief rule and fail and fail again. Regarding SBST and Pelz, do those of you who use his methods miss the "feel" in putting as he advocates more of a shoulder turn and dead hands? I went from Pelz over to something more like Utley basically because I couldn't "feel" anything on long putts, I was all over the place with regards to distance.

Isn't his form today somehow reflecting his problems the last 2 years? To me it seems that his problems stem more from the difference in the good guy he was portraying vs what he was actually doing. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

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Aldila RIP, like it alot

I have used Clickgear for the past 2 summers, it is solid easy to use and has plenty of compartments. You can also get a fair amount of accessories for the Clickgear. Last month I bought my son a Microcart, mostly because of adjustability for his smaller bag. The first thing I noticed about the Microcart was that it is much lighter than the Clickgear, both with and without the bag. There was a big difference in pushing the 2 carts. But there are some cons with the Microcart, it has 2 weak points, and in its luggage mode, one of those points is unprotected, which means you have to be careful how you put it in your car, although that is not a big problem due to how light it is. It does rain alot here in Iceland and there is no umbrella holder on the Microcart, which is a big nono for me. If I was buying a new cart today I think all in all I would go for the Clickgear just bcause of how solid thatt cart is.

72 (1 over par) at my home course a couple of weeks ago. Shot 85 3 days later :-)

My 11 year old boy has a Tour series set of clubs from US Kids. I am not familiar with their gold series, but my son is pretty happy and is starting to play decent golf with thay set of clubs. Before that we had std clubs from US Kids, green series, those are not comparable to the ones he has today.

Would recommend Zen golf. And the chapter called something like You are not your thoughts. Some situations tend to be tougher than others. Just be happy you dont have to spend more time with that person. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

Use my S58 wedge, which I think is 48 degrees, really like the feel of that set of clubs and the wedge.

Shot 85 in my club championship yesterday. Got an 8 on a simple par 4, but high winds and fast greens prevented from getting anything back.

It is a tough situation, I would think you would have to confront your friend with the things that ate bohering you. But wether he takes the game as seriously as you can only be determined by him. On the other hand the should be able to follow the rules (play the same game) and do it without slowplay.

My irons are zz stiff, but in my 52-60 degree wedges I have regular. For me it is the perfect setup as I do not go for the full swing with these clubs. For others stiff in wedges might be a smarter choice.

After reading one of Tom's books I got measured for a new driver length. Ended up cutting my shaft down to 44", am hitting it more solid now.

I don't want to change the subject but wanted to tell you a little about us Icelanders. Even though we are a part of Europe, Icelanders in general have as far as behavioral pattern goes been compared to US citizens, and keeping up with the Joneses is a big thing for many (read all) Icelanders. I lived in Denmark for 3 years and the 2 nations are miles apart in this respect. The rat race has dampened a bit after the 2008 crash which hit us pretty hard, I needed a new 3 wood last year, but ended up buying a 6 year old one, instead of a brand new. Demand for new grips and shafts has been higher than new sets last couple of years. Icelanders are often said to be crazy people and strive to do more than they can handle, I hope we learn something from 2008, look around and smell the roses. Hopefully some will, the rest (read all) will probably go out and grab a white driver.

Well I think you nailed it with helping marginally. My point was maybe that after having found irons, driver etc. that work fine for you why do golfers, throw out the old for only marginal help if any?