• Announcements

    • iacas

      Create a Signature!   02/05/2016

      Everyone, go here and edit your signature this week: http://thesandtrap.com/settings/signature/.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
tristanhilton85

TST SoCal 2014 Summer Outing - Saturday, August 9th @ Encinitas Ranch

156 posts in this topic

Alright, so we just finished our 6th outing today, and as always, it was a great time. The turn out this time around was a bit weak compared to what we've been able to put together in the past, and for this one, I'd like to see a large group.

We were discussing possible locations for the Summer outing today when we finished up and seem to agree that San Diego would be a good spot as we haven't been down that way yet. One possible course that was mentioned was Encinitas Ranch.

Anyways, let's try to nail down a date and course and we'll get this thing rolling. I'm thinking the end of July, possible the 27th.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

I need to redeem myself, July 27 works for me.  Don't really care where or when we play but I think Barrett mentioned Coronado which I think gets an absolute ton of play so it could be a 5+ hr round.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Count me in again. As I've not yet played in San Diego, I'll let other decide on which course to play.

As far as dates, are we talking July or August?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We are in as long as our playing partners can make it.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm going to be a late decision (not last minute or anything, but later than now) for the next one.  I'm signed up for two tournaments on back-to-back Sundays in July, so another day-long outing in that time frame will be tough to swing.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I will likely be there, especially if it's in July or August.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

If I am available, you can count me in. I have a couple of trips planned for July and August, but I should have some "date certainty" within a few weeks.

One thing I can tell you is that July 27th is out for me. That is my wife's birthday!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

How does August 9/10 sound? Any conflicts there?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That sounds fine at present, but that may change when my summer work trips are scheduled. I'm hoping to have a firm handle on my dates by the end of next week.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

How does August 9/10 sound? Any conflicts there?

That would be fine with me.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Encinitas Ranch is a good suggestion. They enforce pace of play there so the round shouldn't take more then 4 hours. Plus it's a nice course and close to the ocean so it won't be too hot.

Edit: I'll be attending this one.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey @hacker101 , are you and Justin up for this one?

I signed up Kaili for SCPGA, and will have him do a few tournaments. Other than those, we should have some weekends free for fun golf.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Hey @hacker101, are you and Justin up for this one?

I signed up Kaili for SCPGA, and will have him do a few tournaments. Other than those, we should have some weekends free for fun golf.

Yep we are up for it, weekends are all Justin will have, he does not take summers off, has to keep the 4.3 GPA.

Also thinking about heading down Sat and stay by the course, what ever one everyone decides?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yep we are up for it, weekends are all Justin will have, he does not take summers off, has to keep the 4.3 GPA.

Also thinking about heading down Sat and stay by the course, what ever one everyone decides?

Okay, we might just go down for the day. Leave early morning and come back that evening.

Cool, we have a foursome!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Okay, we might just go down for the day. Leave early morning and come back that evening.

Cool, we have a foursome!

we all could go down Friday night play Sat and Sun?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

we all could go down Friday night play Sat and Sun?

Saturday is better.

How does August 9/10 sound? Any conflicts there?

9th is better for me, I am traveling on the night of the 10th.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

So its been a while since I have posted here and it looks like the group is still going strong! Im bummed I missed out on a lot of the events you guys have held! took a year off of golf (I know stupid me) so I could finish getting my degree. I hope we have another event soon and everyone is still hacking away!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So its been a while since I have posted here and it looks like the group is still going strong! Im bummed I missed out on a lot of the events you guys have held! took a year off of golf (I know stupid me) so I could finish getting my degree. I hope we have another event soon and everyone is still hacking away!

That seems pretty smart to me!

Come to the next outing, look forward to meeting you, finally. It's been a little over a year and a half since we last corresponded about the first Winter outing.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • My Swing (coop6)
      It pretty much is, I'm not going to debate 5 degrees with you. As I've said repeatedly, Tiger's swing and a standard swing do not require rotation. On this shot he rotated 5 degrees, not much. If you want to play with rotation to closed enjoy. I prefer to keep the club square. 
    • Struggles of turning pro
      http://thesandtrap.com/blogs/ Normally you must be an Established Member to create a blog, but I've enabled this for you now.
    • No Forearm Rotation - Biggest Swing Flaw?
      Completely bogus. The arms (forearms) rotate in every good golf swing. Here's an old thread that's appropriate for this discussion.   Also, I don't think I've ever really seen a golfer, throughout his backswing, rotate his forearms the opposite way. For short periods of time, maybe a few golfers "counter-rotate," but all end up rotating some. No, there won't be "arguments" over this, or there shouldn't be, because… like many things, this is pretty much a fact. There really doesn't need to be an argument or a discussion. It's a knowable, understandable thing. Hunter, like every other PGA Tour pro, rotates his forearms during the backswing. You're rotating your arms as you do this. It's subtle, but if you just pick the club up straight without rotating, you'll have the shaft resting against the top of your head. Look at where the back of your left hand points. Toward the target at setup, and then rotated to put the club on your right shoulder. Turn to the top when the club is on your face or the top of your head and the club will be leaning out over the target line (it'll be roughly parallel to your bend toward the ball, since it's basically just staying inline with your spine). Bending your right arm rotates your forearms. It pulls everything to the right (you can't bend your right arm straight in front of you without also bending your left arm). Then even more rotation is added after that. I agree that you don't want to be doing a lot of "things" on the downswing, but that's not how physics works. You can do all sorts of things on the backswing and not do them on the downswing. We have students who swing steep to steep, steep to shallow, shallow to steep, shallow to shallow, and all sorts of things. We have students who address the ball with a closed clubface, roll it way open, and then return it wide open, etc. The "equal and opposite" does not mean a delayed reaction - it means that if I push on something it will, right at that very moment, push back. If I fire rocket propulsion downward, the missile or space shuttle or whatever will move upward. You don't fire rockets and then, a week later, a different missile takes off as a "reaction." Furthermore, PGA Tour players have a variety of backswings. Ray Floyd was underneath, Rickie Fowler or Ryan Moore are steep or over the top on the backswing. The golfer who comes closest to the "square" or "no rotation" backswing is a guy who CAN'T really rotate his forearms: Tim Clark. And even Tim rotates some. But notice how far "out over his head" the clubhead is, despite the fact that he's well short of parallel on the backswing. It's so much more than that. I ask people in my lessons how much skill or raw natural talent it takes to set up properly. The correct answer: none. They just have to know how to do it. If golf was as simple as "set up properly and then turn" we'd all be a whole lot better than we are. Golfers can be set up the same and make very, very different backswings, and both can be successful. So Bubba is doing it wrong? And what does that have to do with the swing flaw of "rotating your forearms"? (Is overswinging a big problem? Absolutely. More, IMO, for what it tends to do to the trail elbow and the subsequent inability of the player to get the arms and hands down fast enough. I'll never really argue against overswinging, except when it's made as a blanket statement covering all golfers who go past parallel or something.) Also, you said (though it feels off topic since this is mostly about forearm rotation, n'est-ce pas?) "the more you have to wait for them to come down." That's not really true - you can MAKE them come down faster. Your arms aren't just limp things hanging from your shoulders that get dragged behind your hips and torso rotating. Because, biomechanically, making a swing with no forearm rotation would be ridiculous and resemble the golf swings of precisely no good players, ever. Tim Clark comes closest, and people don't even copy his swing, and if Tim Clark's forearms would rotate as most people's do, even Tim Clark would have a different golf swing. Modeling your golf swing on someone with a disability hardly seems like the prudent choice. My last piece of evidence, right here: This should drive the point home pretty significantly. Spoiler One last thing here. Consider the sagittal plane (in the spoiler above, just so it's not taking up a ton of space) and the back of the left hand (assuming a right-handed golfer). At address, they're parallel - the back of the left hand is parallel to the sagittal plane. Yet at the top of the backswing, what do we see? The sagittal plane (at the point of attachment of the arms, i.e. near the shoulders) is about 90° from where it started. It's inclined at about 35° or so, but otherwise just is still just a plane bisecting the sternum, neck, face, etc. What plane is the back of the left wrist on? Why, it's one that's about 90° to the sagittal plane. I've illustrated this here: In this illustration, I've drawn a little "cube" in the screen on the left. The green face of the cube is parallel to the sagittal plane (the edge of the plane is pointing "at the camera"). The blue side - perpendicular to the green side - is parallel to the back of the left hand. It too is pointing at the camera, but has rotated about 90°. That's why it's parallel to a perpendicular side of the cube. On the right, above, to make the back of Mike's left hand parallel the green face of the cube, he'd have to rotate his arms BACK about 90° to the red line. Now, then, @Golfer2223, you'd set a record as the first human being in history to present an argument as you have done and immediately recognize, given my response and a little thought on your part, that you want to take back your entire argument and completely change your position. In other words, I don't expect that to happen. A small part of me hopes it will some day, but I don't think today is going to be that day. But, realistically, that's what should happen. As I see it, you have no real ground to stand on here. Not biomechanically, not based on simple geometry, nothing. The arms rotate during the backswing in EVERY good player. Even in Tim Clark's backswing (or he'd truly have the club hanging out over his head. I will also say this, @Golfer2223: I appreciate your willingness to help, and to jump in, and to offer your thoughts on things. I hope you can take this rebuttal in the spirit in which it's intended - to help and to discuss. I don't know who you are (you should add more info to your profile), and I'm not responding just to be mean, but to help people learn, think critically, and better understand the golf swing. We encourage debate and discussion here, and that's all my response is to be taken as - more debate and discussion. Do I think I'm right? Yes. And I think I've backed up why. P.S. As someone noted above, often students need to feel like there's no rotation in the backswing. But that doesn't make it accurate.
    • Northern Michigan Courses
      I have been to Northern Michigan on several occasions. There are a lot of great golf courses but they are SPREAD OUT so keep driving distance in mind.   Arcadia Bluffs Forest Dunes True North Little Traverse Bay Belvedere Dunmaglas Black Lake Grand Traverse Resort (Nicklaus and Player Course) Lochenheath  Leelanau Boyne Hills Course   These are all EXCELLENT golf courses that are worth playing
    • Crandon/Key Biscayne or Biltmore
      Wow, tough choice! Key Biscayne or Crandon. Either one would be awesome.
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

  • Blog Entries