Stina Who!?

**FHopper** · October 12, 2009

I have just begun reading golf magazines. As I have looked through some recent magazines I have stumbled on a recurrent column by someone called Stina Sternberg. She seems to be a nasty person with a real chip on her shoulder. I was outraged when I read her tirade about "front tee" vs "ladies tee". I can see where the front tee may occasionally be the "junior tee" but usually it is the ladies tee. The attack on golf traditions is sad and what is even more sad is that a magazine would give this bitter female a bully pulpit. People are concerned about the health of the LPGA, well the sooner it can put the influence of bitter old members of "NOW" behind it the better.

**tjy355** · October 12, 2009

I agree with you, she should shut up and stay in the kitchen.

**Phil McGleno** · October 12, 2009

I dunno boys. Stina's hosted the Big Breaks and stuff - y'all should know who she is. Been around the golf world for a long time, was a good player at one point.

Plus she was voted "female golf writer every other golf writer wants to bang" ten years in a row now. Because, really, what's her competition? Mel Hauser?

I read that rant about "forward tees." Maybe I should call 'er up, ask her if she minds when I call it the "Skirts Tee."

**Shindig** · October 12, 2009

I was outraged when I read her tirade about "front tee" vs "ladies tee". I can see where the front tee may occasionally be the "junior tee" but usually it is the ladies tee.

How about playing a set of tees based on your ability (and honest distance) instead of a set of tees with a name based on your gender? Women who hit the long ball or have a low handicap are welcome beyond the so-called ladies tees. And there are plenty of men who, frankly, should be playing from the forward tees. I don't even mean the people who top everything from the blue tees: there are plenty of men who make 18 double bogeys from the white tees, not due to being a beginner (I'm fine with beginners playing the "men's tees"), but because they lack distance and don't have a short game to speak of.

The decision of which tees to play is a pace of play issue. Putting a 2-handicap woman at the forward tees would slow down pace, just as having any man who can't hit past 150 yards on a good drive at the middle tees does.

The attack on golf traditions is sad and what is even more sad is that a magazine would give this bitter female a bully pulpit.

Yes, treating people based on their golf ability instead of which restroom they use and wanting a reasonably quick pace of play is terrible.

**Chief Broom** · October 12, 2009

The attack on golf traditions is sad and what is even more sad is that a magazine would give this bitter female a bully pulpit...

Some golf traditions need to change. The labeling of tees is a prime example. Tee selection should be based on handicap and skill level, but how many guys do you know that are willing to take the ribbing they'll get if they tee off from the reds on a crowded weekend? The only guys I've ever seen tee off from the reds are either really old (80+) or kids. And yet there are so many people out there who would do so much better playing from the forward tees.

And Stina's never come across as bitter to me? Some folks just don't like it when a woman speaks her mind. Especially if it goes against something they believe...

**FHopper** · October 12, 2009

Tees are color coded, the shortest yardage is designed for the ladies. Of course anyone can choose to play from any tee, but if you are playing from the front tees you are playing from the ladies tee. When I am older I will still play from the white tees because I am a man and the white tees are for the short hitting men. I played with a couple 30 somethings guys the other day and they hit from the blues, I ask them jokingly if they did that to get their money's worth and they answered "we pull our pants all the way up"; I liked that. Truth is truth, the front tees are the ladies tees, PC or no.
In my town:
Black tour
Blue pro
white men
yellow junior
red ladies

**max power** · October 12, 2009

I have just begun reading golf magazines. As I have looked through some recent magazines I have stumbled on a recurrent column by someone called Stina Sternberg. She seems to be a nasty person with a real chip on her shoulder. I was outraged when I read her tirade about "front tee" vs "ladies tee". I can see where the front tee may occasionally be the "junior tee" but usually it is the ladies tee. The attack on golf traditions is sad and what is even more sad is that a magazine would give this bitter female a bully pulpit. People are concerned about the health of the LPGA, well the sooner it can put the influence of bitter old members of "NOW" behind it the better.

There is only one bitter person involved with this paragraph, and it ain't Stina.

**Chief Broom** · October 12, 2009

Tees are color coded, the shortest yardage is designed for the ladies.

Why?

I'm not kidding, why? If some lady is good and has a low handicap is she still supposed to play from the forward tees? And if you grant that this hypothetical good female golfer is entitled to play from tees other than the front tees doesn't that imply skill level should be the real determinate regarding which tees anyone should play?

Of course anyone can choose to play from any tee, but if you are playing from the front tees you are playing from the ladies tee. When I am older I will still play from the white tees because I am a man and the white tees are for the short hitting men. I played with a couple 30 somethings guys the other day and they hit from the blues, I ask them jokingly if they did that to get their money's worth and they answered "we pull our pants all the way up"; I liked that. Truth is truth, the front tees are the ladies tees, PC or no.

Wow.

I guess you and I are just not speaking the same language. To me what you're saying is incredibly condescending. I assume to you I'm coming across as a PC hack. To each there own I guess.

**laconic517** · October 12, 2009

ive always got the vibe that she was a bitch personally. From her articles to the way she comes off on the golf channel.

Maybe shes nice in person, but she has bitchy tendencies.

**RemyM** · October 12, 2009

Truth is truth, the front tees are the ladies tees, PC or no.

You should try the front tees, then maybe you can break 100.

**Chief Broom** · October 12, 2009

Maybe shes nice in person, but she has bitchy tendencies.

I know this is a golf forum but this is a teaching moment...

What is it that qualifies as bitchiness in a woman? What is it in a woman that you consider nice or worth while? Now ask yourself if you or any of your male friends exhibit those same traits/tendencies. Is one behavior more acceptable from a man than it is from a woman? Why would that be? IMO women get a bum rap a lot of times. If they stand up for themselves or are too assertive they are labled a bitch. If a guy does it he's a go getter. I'm not advocating that men and women should become blended into some androgenous unit, but stereotypes can be a real social bugaboo that can cause a lot of damage to someone without meaning to. In fact I think that we have this romanticized notion of what a woman is supposed to be and how she's supposed to act that is very different than reality. And not just reality but the reality in what we as men want out of a woman. I don't want to be married to a doormat. I don't want to be married to a raging bitch either, but there is a happy medium in between. Stina is a woman in an overwhelmingly male sport. She butts up against some pretty antiquated notions that exist in golf that have always restricted the freedom of women in the sport. She sets herself against those notions and for it she no doubt gets the bitch lable for her trouble. I personally like to see women on the golf course. I played with a threesome of women a couple of weeks ago and it was one of the most pleasent experiences I've had being paired up with total strangers. Those ladies stunk at golf. A good drive maybe went 125yds, maybe! The best one in the threesome probably shot in the 60's over 9 holes. The worst probably topped 80, I don't know. But those ladies had the right idea about playing golf. They simply did not get mad or let their bad shots bother them. I'm a real easy going guy, but I can tell you that after my second hole scoring in the double digits I'm walking off the course in disgust. They kept right on plugging. Their play wasn't fast, but they weren't the slowest players I've seen either, and they were downright meticulous at adhering to the rules (and had no problem taking a potty break so a faster group could play through). I was impressed and let them know it. The impression I get from Stina is that she loves the game and just wants for women to be given the same opportunity to play it that every other male hacker gets. I've got no problem with that.

**ControlJunkie** · October 12, 2009

How about playing a set of tees based on your ability (and honest distance) instead of a set of tees with a name based on your gender? Women who hit the long ball or have a low handicap are welcome beyond the so-called ladies tees. And there are plenty of men who, frankly, should be playing from the forward tees. I don't even mean the people who top everything from the blue tees: there are plenty of men who make 18 double bogeys from the white tees, not due to being a beginner (I'm fine with beginners playing the "men's tees"), but because they lack distance and don't have a short game to speak of.

Some golf traditions need to change. The labeling of tees is a prime example. Tee selection should be based on handicap and skill level, but how many guys do you know that are willing to take the ribbing they'll get if they tee off from the reds on a crowded weekend? The only guys I've ever seen tee off from the reds are either really old (80+) or kids. And yet there are so many people out there who would do so much better playing from the forward tees.

Well said, sir(s).

OP, I actually find it pretty sad that you think this way. I suppose you think anyone who isn't white doesn't belong on the course as well, right? Times change, for better and worse, and I'd suggest you come to terms with that. Call me PC, whatever, I really don't care, but last I checked, golf is a gentleman 's game. By that, I don't mean only for men, but one played by people with respect for their fellow competitor, whether it be male or female . Regardless of how her remarks come off and perceived attitude, her point is correct. Just as Shindig said, the red tees are the forward tees. Nothing more, nothing less. More men should be playing from them, and if some of them would swallow their pride and do just that, they might actually see their scores improve. God forbid that happen, right??? If this is your attitude towards the game, I personally think it might be time for you to give it up. Sword fighting may be more appropriate for you.

**max power** · October 12, 2009

Tees are color coded, the shortest yardage is designed for the ladies. Of course anyone can choose to play from any tee, but if you are playing from the front tees you are playing from the ladies tee. When I am older I will still play from the white tees because I am a man and the white tees are for the short hitting men. I played with a couple 30 somethings guys the other day and they hit from the blues, I ask them jokingly if they did that to get their money's worth and they answered "we pull our pants all the way up"; I liked that. Truth is truth, the front tees are the ladies tees, PC or no.

Oh, I see-town rules. White tees are actually for bogey golfers, which you ain't. Perhaps you should focus more on your game, and less on your tee-box ego. Those guys who always play from the blue tees because it's "manly" are possibly the most annoying people on the course. They always suck, and they're always slow.

**shankapotamus** · October 12, 2009

Why?

He said they were

designed for women, not made for women only. lrn2fnread

**msd3075** · October 12, 2009

He said they were

No, they were designed for people that can't hit the ball far and/or straight. That is why they are closer to the hole than the other tee boxes.....

**FHopper** · October 12, 2009

Why do some infer that I don't like women, blacks, or don't forget; Jews? That is no where in anything I have said. What I said is the front tees are correctly called the ladies tees and people who find prejudiced or hate in that reality are simply looking for it, as I believe Stina is. I play from whites so my score reflects playing from whites. I don't care what my score would be from the ladies tee. I play because the game is wonderful and the venues are wonderful and the people are wonderful... unless they get their panties in a bunch over the traditions of the game.
There are some things I have accepted even though they have hurt the ambiance of the game, for instance I miss the sound of real spikes, I am trying to say metal instead of wood, but there is no reason to change the name of the tees. How would that work with handicaps? I am ignorant about handicaps, do people say 18/red? Do the men's leagues write that down somewhere when you register for a tourney?
I find people who enter something with grand traditions only to tell us all what is wrong with how we have done things to be horrible. If our traditions were that bad how did that person get in a position to complain? Golf is inclusive and crosses all presupposed barriers, who is she to "tell us how it is"?

**shankapotamus** · October 12, 2009

No, they were

No, they were designed for women, because men had this preconceived notion that women couldn't hit the ball long.

**Big_M** · October 12, 2009

I'm going to stay out of most of this... but I will state my following opinions...

-Stina can come off kind of bitchy at times
-Sometimes she is right on point though... other times a little less so
-Despite her slightly bitchy tendency, I like her and respect her opinions
-Not sure how anyone could not know who she is unless they NEVER watch TGC
-Stina is definately much less annoying than say Stephanie Sparks.

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