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So do you guys think club makers will stop at 460cc or will they come out with one in the 500cc's? It seems like they just kept creeping up making them bigger. Why didnt they just go from a 190cc driver staight to a 460cc?
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The USGA imposed a 460cc limit on club head size effective January 1, 2004.

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So do you guys think club makers will stop at 460cc or will they come out with one in the 500cc's? It seems like they just kept creeping up making them bigger. Why didnt they just go from a 190cc driver staight to a 460cc?

Already done by those cheeky rascals over at Bang Golf...

525cc... and 600cc...
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James_Black Great Member

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Already done by those cheeky rascals over at Bang Golf...

i that all?

golfmith made a 1000cc driver!

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You have to check out this Youtube video of a guy hitting the Golfsmith 1000cc. It's hillarious.

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My father built a 1000cc driver for the humor factor. I almost fell over trying to swing it.

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club manufactures are actually decreasing the size of drivers now
look at the new Nike Tour, Cally FT Tour etc...

that 1000cc driver BLOWS THE HAMMER OUT OF THE WATER!!!

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sean_miller Incredible Member

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club manufactures are actually decreasing the size of drivers now

Titleist should secretly promote them - check the youtube video - in one shot, a guy could pull a Pro V1 into the left trees and push a second one into the water right.

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So do you guys think club makers will stop at 460cc or will they come out with one in the 500cc's? It seems like they just kept creeping up making them bigger. Why didnt they just go from a 190cc driver staight to a 460cc?

Yes, driver heads are as big as they will ever be.

The 460cc limit doesn't have anything to do with the dimensions of the head (how high, wide, or deep it is). It has to do with how much water it offsets. The "size" of a head is measured by submerging the head in a vat of water and measureing how much the water rises. You can make a head that is extra high, wide, and deep simply by putting a concave top on the head (which I believe several companies have done). My guess is the real reason several driver heads have indentions on them in various places has less to do with performance, and more to do with getting them under the 460cc water offset limit. I think we may have reached a point of diminishing returns on head size anyway. It's harder to get a larger head to square up, so you can only go so big before it is virtually impossible to square. I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing companies producing smaller driver heads (calling them easier to square up heads) that still have as high COR and MOI numbers as the larger heads.

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It's harder to get a larger head to square up, so you can only go so big before it is virtually impossible to square.

Why is that?

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Why is that?

I'll have to go look it up, but I beleive that is what it says in the Wishon book. The reasoning was sound. Wishon did not seem to be a big fan of making driver heads too big.

OK, my memory is starting to come back a little. Think of an ice skater that is spinning in the middle of the rink. When they have their arms stretched out they spin slow, but if they pull their arms close to their body they spin more quickly. The point is that when most of the mass is near the axis of rotation, you spin quickly. When you move mass away from the axis of rotation, you spin more slowly. Big driver heads have a lot of the mass located away from the axis of rotation (the shaf) so they spin (close) more slowly. Most "draw" clubs have weight shifted towards the heel of the club. Since there is more mass closer to the axis of rotation (the shaft) they close easier. As I remember it, Wishon's point was that while larger heads made it easier to make a more "forgiving" club for non-center shots, it creates a clubhead that is harder to close. If you are pretty good at hitting the center of the face, but not at closing the club, you might be better off getting a smaller driver head.

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I'll have to go look it up, but I beleive that is what it says in the Wishon book. The reasoning was sound. Wishon did not seem to be a big fan of making driver heads too big.

A agree with this in principle. When I hit a 5-wood or 3-wood, my idea of a great shot is a lot smaller target than it is with a 460cc driver. With the big driver, anything on the short grass is a round of high 5s.

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James_Black Great Member

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A agree with this in principle. When I hit a 5-wood or 3-wood, my idea of a great shot is a lot smaller target than it is with a 460cc driver. With the big driver, anything on the short grass is a round of high 5s.

Couldn't that be because of the higher loft and shorter shaft though?

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Hybrid burner tour launch 20* stiff flex.
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