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I'm 21 and most of my playing partners are between 19-22 and catch so much slack just because we are young. I see way more middle aged golfers that have no etiquette whatsoever than I do younger kids. In my opinion, kids play with more etiquette than adults do most of the time, because they are afraid of getting yelled at by older people. I think that most kids (by kids i mean 17-22 years old) are treated unfairly on the course. Me and my friends have had countless experiences with people looking down on us just because of our age, regardless of our skill level and respect for the course/game.

Just a few examples:

Was out golfing in the afternoon on a weekday, so the course was not very busy. Me and a few of my friends (all decent golfers, can get around the course in a timely manner, etc.) Teed off with nobody in front of us, and literally never saw anyone until the turn. As we finished the 10th hole and made our way to the 11th tee box, a ranger was waiting for us, and told us that he thought we should wait for the group about ready to tee off back at the 10th tee box (i assume that they went off on the back 9 instead of the front). Instead of arguing with the ranger, we waited for the group to finish up and we let them pass. Well, the group was made up of a foursome of older woman, who played at a mind-numbingly slow pace. We waited on every single shot that we took for the rest  of  the round, and I still cannot figure out why we had to let them play through.

Example 2:

My same group of friends were at a different course, this one a bit  nicer  than the last. We pull up from the first tee, and hit our tee shots from the middle tees (same set of tees we play at every course we go to). There are groups in front of us and behind us, so we really had nowhere to go. As we get to the second tee, once again a ranger is there to greet us, and tells us that we should be playing from the womans tees, because we were playing to slow (which was not the case, as we had to wait for the group to clear ). We tried to explain that distance was not a problem for us, that we all were capable of playing from the current set of tees (which is true, we all could pop the ball out there at least 200 yrds minimum.), and he proceeded to tell us that if we did not play from the forward tees, then we would be asked to leave the course. So we returned to the clubhouse, and after fighting with the manager, they finally refunded our money and we left.

Example 3:

I was in a twosome with my brother, who is 19 years old, new to the game, and consequently not very good. It was a crowded sunday afternoon, and we were sandwiched in between 2 foursomes, so i told him to take his time and just have fun. We were in the middle of the fairway on a  par 4 waiting for the green to clear so we could hit our second shots, when the group behind us decided to go  ahead and tee up, and hit about 20 yrds over our heads. I let it pass, maybe thinking it was an accident. Well, on the very next whole, we again were waiting on the green to clear, when the group behind us proceeds to tee up and hit there shots, this time the ball hits the back of our cart. Now I decide to act on it, but instead of making a confrontation i  simply call the clubhouse and tell them about the incident. They send a ranger out, and he stops at the group behind us and starts talking to them. I thought that this would be the end of it, but instead the group behind us along with the ranger drive up to us, and the ranger starts to repremand us about lying and that if it happens again we will be banned from the course. I then say that we werent lying, and that they hit into us twice, to which the ranger and the group both insisted that we were making things up, and we were asked to leave, with no refund.

Sorry for the long post, but this really bothers me. Has any other younger people had a problem with this? Or does this happen to everyone and I am just thinking its caused by my age? Remember, im not a 12 year old kid, im a 21 year old who plays with etiquette that is expected and probably have more skill than the average weekend hacker does.

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What you described was unfair treatment. Not sure what to do about it. You might talk to a lawyer, and see what needs to be done to document such events in the future. If it's a municipal golf course, you're not getting fair access to public accommodations.

Also, I see that your avatar contains the picture of an African-American male. If you all are of an ethnic minority, possibly you're being targeted because of this.

At any rate, talk to a lawyer and see if any systematic action is possible. Do so especially if a civil rights violation is at play.

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Sounds like you just ran into some bad marshals… The older they are the angrier/grumpier they tend to be. Haha, I thought you were being a little too sensitive until I read your 3rd example. That sounds way wrong! I woulda been pissed! As for #1 & #2, there was definitely something up there, but nothing enough to get conspiracy theory'd out about. And if it had been me I would not have left out of spite…  Consider calling those courses and speaking to their head pro or managers about your experience. That's probably best.

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I don't know what to tell you.  If everything was as you describe it, you certainly wouldn't be treated like that anywhere I've ever played.

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If, what you describe happened, all I can say is "wow? what a bunch of A-holes"

As posted earlier, may be talk with the manager or head pro, especially if you know either. There is no reason for this this. It just makes it worse for everyone.

Being old myself, I don't like saying this, but I've noticed that some old farts are more interested in being grumpy and irrasible than helpful or professional. As for etiquette, hell most people can't even pronounce it let alone know what it is or how to spell it.

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I know what you mean.  I'm 20 now, I've never had a problem with marshalls, but me and my 17 year old brother have had a pretty good number of incidents with older golfers behind us.  Same type of story, waiting for greens to clear and either getting yelled at from them or hit into.  I do look on the younger side, but still, no reason to treat us any different.

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I would say F__K it and punch the marshall's out. jk. but seriously, judging from the stories, that is some major bull. I have had stories like that come into my pro shop, not as close as bull as yours of course. I will say I did have older people coming in to my pro shop complaining about younger kids than vice versa. because, the kids are young and can't golf and blah blah blah. stupid stuff really. just go out and play old man. have fun. you're golfing for crying out loud. what's better than that. I would just send my marshall out and he would radio in that the kids are on par with the group ahead of them. people get testy when they see the group ahead of them a half a hole behind and they believe that is to far behind, as if they want them on the group's a$$ in front of them. oh well, people are very impatient nowadays. no hiding it anymore. we live in a fast pace world where a minute is like an eternity.

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

I don't know what to tell you.  If everything was as you describe it, you certainly wouldn't be treated like that anywhere I've ever played.



This. I've NEVER played at a course where marshalls treated anyone like that. Out of the 40+ courses I've ever played at. I've never had this happen.

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I can tell you that no matter how old you are, if you play a Robert Trent Jones course on a weekend... you are going to get yelled at by a marshall if you are not almost hitting into the group in front of you.  True story from this past weekend

I am in a foursome with some friends all in our upper 30s and ranging from a 15-25 handicap.  We decided to play the upper middle tees due to the marshall's recommendation.  We are waiting on every single shot and it is getting a bit annoying, especially for the long hitter of the group.  So we are on a par 5 and tee off, three of us hit our second to a lay up area.  My cartner, the long hitter, is just waiting in the fairway when the marshall comes up and asks us why he has not hit yet.  We say he is waiting for the green to clear.  The marshall laughs and says, "you should go ahead and hit."  So my buddy does... flies the green and rolls to the back fringe.  The group in front was pissed (as I would have been).  The marshall just drives off.

On one of the par 3s on the backside, the same marshall is sitting at the tee box when we arrive.  He tells us that we need to speed up, although the foursome in front of us is still on the green.  So we all get out of the cart and are ready to tee off as soon as they clear.  The group in front is still walking off the green and the marshall tells us to hit.  The exit off the green is to the right.  IMO, most golfs miss right due to a slice or push.  What the hell was he thinking.  Needless to say we waited the extra 30 seconds for them to clear.

Is this just a power trip or something?  I have no interest in playing that particular RTJ again.

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As always, there are 3 versions of a story.  Your side, their side, and the truth.  If everything was as you described, I would tell everybody that I know that golfs about what happened and advise that they not give those courses their money.

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Originally Posted by golf4fun12

I would say F__K it and punch the marshall's out. jk. but seriously, judging from the stories, that is some major bull. I have had stories like that come into my pro shop, not as close as bull as yours of course. I will say I did have older people coming in to my pro shop complaining about younger kids than vice versa. because, the kids are young and can't golf and blah blah blah. stupid stuff really. just go out and play old man. have fun. you're golfing for crying out loud. what's better than that. I would just send my marshall out and he would radio in that the kids are on par with the group ahead of them. people get testy when they see the group ahead of them a half a hole behind and they believe that is to far behind, as if they want them on the group's a$$ in front of them. oh well, people are very impatient nowadays. no hiding it anymore. we live in a fast pace world where a minute is like an eternity.

I do find that there seems to be a fairly large number of grumpy older/middle age guys on the course. They don't like kids/younger people or in some cases, women on the course. I'm 46 and there are a bunch of younger guys that play the muni course down the street because they can walk and it's pretty cheap. I've never had a problem with them goofing off on the course or hitting into me. People need to relax and be happy to see our game growing.

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Originally Posted by shades9323

As always, there are 3 versions of a story.  Your side, their side, and the truth.  If everything was as you described, I would tell everybody that I know that golfs about what happened and advise that they not give those courses their money.


Bingo.  If the course has a FB page (many do these days), post a polite, but accurate account of what happened and end it with your sincere hope this was an isolated case and your wish for the club to be a better, more enjoyable place to play.

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Thanks for everyones input. The one common denominator was that the marshal was always an older man, probably in his 70's. And dont get me wrong, this doesnt happen everytime I go out, and i have ran into a much greater percentage of people that were extremely polite. Just a few incidences, and I guess the question I was asking was that do you think that it was because of my age, or something else. I will also say that the courses that the problems occurred at are not full of bad people/employees, just a couple isolated incidents. I have golfed many rounds at each course and was very pleased with the service most of the time. But hey, everybody has had run-ins on the course, i was just thinking that mine had something to do with my age.

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I've been playing since I was 12, and I can't remember too many times when I've been treated poorly by a marshall because of my age.

Out of curiosity, how do you and your friends/brother dress at the course?  Do you look like kids, or do you look like golfers?

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Originally Posted by delav

I've been playing since I was 12, and I can't remember too many times when I've been treated poorly by a marshall because of my age.

Out of curiosity, how do you and your friends/brother dress at the course?  Do you look like kids, or do you look like golfers?



I dress like a golfer. Kakhi shorts/pants and a polo everytime i go out. My brother and friends mostly dress the same, sometimes a few of my friends wear jeans and a tee shirt but only if the course allows. I highly doubt it had anything to do with the way we dressed. I will also add that nothing has ever been said to me/us if i were to go out with my dad or uncle or someone a bit older.

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I'm also 21, I have never had a problem. The course I play at knows my father and I very well. When i go out alone or with friends there are no issues. It may help that most of the starters and rangers are between 16 and 25. Every other course I have played, my friends and I have been treated respectfully and most marshalls tell us they are happy to see younger people into the game.
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Originally Posted by Jchuba03

I dress like a golfer. Kakhi shorts/pants and a polo everytime i go out. My brother and friends mostly dress the same, sometimes a few of my friends wear jeans and a tee shirt but only if the course allows. I highly doubt it had anything to do with the way we dressed. I will also add that nothing has ever been said to me/us if i were to go out with my dad or uncle or someone a bit older.

Actually, dress does have alot to do with how golfers are perceived. If I'm at the course and I see a guy dressed in jean shorts with his shirt hanging out, I pretty much figure (right or wrong) he doesn't understand etiquitte. I also see alot of younger golfers with lots of tattoos on their arms and sometimes their necks. Please understand that this doesn't bother me and I don't know if you or anyone in your group has them, but for the older golfers/rangers, that might make them pay extra attention and cause them to look for something wrong. Either way, if you're keeping pace, raking traps, filling divots, etc, you shouldn't be hassled.

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