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Just was wondering some drills I can do to make my stats better, so I can try to break 70. Thanks

Through 13 rounds of golf this season, my handicap is a 7.0 . My GIR is 50%, my fairways hit is only 45%, Average putt per hole is 1.9, average putts per GIR is 3.8, my average driving distance carry is 235yds, with roll 250ish. As you can see I still need a lot of work.

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if i were you i would really focus on hitting fairways, even if that number only goes up by 10% you will see a huge improvement in your game. Also your putts per GIR needs to come down to around 2 if i am understanding that correctly. focus on making the most out of your GIR's and dont be dissapointed with the challenge of going up and down, as its not as hard as some people make it out to be.

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I assume 3.8 putts per GIR hole is a typo!?

Going just off those stats, I'd infer that your irons are pretty solid, as you're getting 50% GIR even with just 45% of fairways.  Unless you hit just barely off the fairway for most of those fairways hit, or you only play easy wide open courses where missed drives are rarely penalized that much, I'd guess you get on in reg at a high rate (for an amateur) when you do hit the fairway.  So I'd say first thing is trying to get fairways up to something like 60-65%.

Also, 1.8 or 1.9 putts per hole isn't really okay if you want to play scratch golf.  Every scratch or near scratch amateur I've ever met talks about a round with 33-34 putts as a mediocre day with the putter at best.  Maybe some of that is that you don't get close enough with the short shots when you just miss an approach, but I'd say the other thing you need to do is practice putting more.  Making an average day with the putter 30 putts instead of 33-34 would already put you in range of breaking 70 on a day when your putter feels at least solid and you're hot with the other clubs.

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Originally Posted by boots1302

i think he meant average SCORE per GIR is 3.8? could be wrong. thats what i misunderstood as well.

YEah - I read that completely wrong.  I think he's taking total putts and dividing it by GIR - my bad.

A literal interpretation of putts per GIR could be # of putts divided by those holes he reached in GIR.  That's not what he meant, I'm sure.

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My program I keep all my scores on says its 3.8, I thought that was high as the past few rounds I have been putting a lot better (33-34 putts, as you said is mediocre, for me is great). I was shooting my high rounds of 83 and 82 with 6 or 7 three putts. So that is why I am assuming it is so high. Over the past week I have managed to only three putt once or twice around compared to my 6 or 7. Irons are my best part of my game, I am confident with them no matter where I am. I am good close to the green with bump and run shots. I have trouble with having the chip shots check on the green. Can't really get the ball to check. Sand game, last round I was in 5x. I got out all 5 times, with one stroke each. I suck in the sand. So I have to learn how to get out and close to the pin out of the sand for a good up and down.

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Originally Posted by tazrestling27

Just was wondering some drills I can do to make my stats better, so I can try to break 70. Thanks

Through 13 rounds of golf this season, my handicap is a 7.0 . My GIR is 50%, my fairways hit is only 45%, Average putt per hole is 1.9, average putts per GIR is 3.8, my average driving distance carry is 235yds, with roll 250ish. As you can see I still need a lot of work.

First off, I think you are approaching this whole thing the wrong way. You don't do drills "to make your stats better". You do drills with an instructor to work on your swing so you can hopefully score better. The stats improve naturally when you start playing better. You can't go out on the course with the idea that you will beat your average stats that day. Just hit each shot and tally it all up later.

For greens in regulation...think about the formula that has been mentioned on this site before. 95 - (total greens hit x 2) = approximate score. So, to have a really good shot at breaking 70 with a typical putting and overall game that day you need to hit 13 greens in regulation. 95 - (13 x 2) = 69. 13/18 greens in regulation comes out at 72.2% GIR. You don't need to average that, you just need to hit 13 greens in one round, just 4 more than your current average. Of course, hitting 4 extra greens per round is easier said than done.

Putting is a tough stat to measure. Total putts can be lowered if someone has a really good chipping game and has tap in pars all day. Putts per GIR is a decent stat at measuring how often you are 3-putting versus 1 and 2-putting. Putts per hole needs to come down to about 1.6 or 1.7 for you to see rounds in the low 70s.

Fairways hit doesn't mean much unless your missed fairway shots are ending up behind trees, OB or in the hazards. I am only at 45%, but I play a pretty tight course and my misses are usually just a couple yards off the fairway. I also have the advantage at hitting it 280-295. Since you only hit it 250 (not that bad, but not awesome), you might need to hit more fairways than me to score. It also depends on what kind of course your playing and how long it is. I don't know how old you are or when you started playing, but try and pick up some yardage. It is tough for a 250 hitter to break par unless they are in total command of the rest of their game.

Some other important stats that you should look at:

- Scrambling

- Par 5 scoring average (Mine is 4.9. This is something that really separates scratch players and low handicappers from mid-cappers. The way to lower your scores is to use birdie those par 5s)

- 3-putt avoidance

EDIT: Also, your Putts per GIR CANNOT be 3.8. Think about it...that would mean that you are averaging about 4 putts per green on the holes you hit in regulation. You are probably misreading the program.

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Yeah, 3.8 is way to high, but that is what it says. I think that part of the program is not working correctly. I am 5'10, 170lbs. I just started playing golf last year or at least a somewhat serious level. Before that I played a total of 3 rounds. When I miss the fairway, I am pretty close, no OB or hazards. I am trying to increase distance to driver. Gonna practice more of a coil in backswing. Practice lag putting and some up and downs. Plus keep making sure 150 yds in, I can dial in and put on green. Thanks for input.

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Originally Posted by tazrestling27

Yeah, 3.8 is way to high, but that is what it says. I think that part of the program is not working correctly. I am 5'10, 170lbs. I just started playing golf last year or at least a somewhat serious level. Before that I played a total of 3 rounds. When I miss the fairway, I am pretty close, no OB or hazards. I am trying to increase distance to driver. Gonna practice more of a coil in backswing. Practice lag putting and some up and downs. Plus keep making sure 150 yds in, I can dial in and put on green. Thanks for input.


The program is working properly.  You said in your original post that you hit 50% GIR and your putts per hole is 1.9.  So the program is taking 1.9 and dividing by .5 (which is the same as multiplying by 2) to get 3.8.  What the stat is trying to tell you is that about 95% of the time you hit a GIR, you are making par.  Your putts per hole (regardless of GIR) needs to go down.  A better way to track putting would be to keep average putts for only GIRs and average putts for non-GIRs separately.  You want your average for non-GIRs to be as close to 1 as possible, meaning getting up and down for par.

I know this sounds obvious, but the key to achieving your goal is to get the number of bogeys in a round down to 1 or 2 at the most.  Obvious, yes...but to put emphasis on it: You want to shoot <70, that means when you make a bogey, you pretty much have to make 2 birdies to make up for it.  And being honest, if you make 4 bogeys in a round, the chances of also making 7 birdies and 7 pars (or better) extremely slim.

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IMO, GIR needs to go up and putts per GIR need to go down.  At a 7 cap hitting 50% of the greens should leave you no worse than par for 9 holes and then your goal should be to get up and down 50% of the time on the other 9 holes.  This would put your score down to a 76-77 or roughly a 3.5ish cap given the back tees and a decent slope.  To shave the 6-7 strokes to break 70 you need to do better in all categories.  Time to practice!

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Originally Posted by tazrestling27

Just was wondering some drills I can do to make my stats better, so I can try to break 70. Thanks

Through 13 rounds of golf this season, my handicap is a 7.0 . My GIR is 50%, my fairways hit is only 45%, Average putt per hole is 1.9, average putts per GIR is 3.8, my average driving distance carry is 235yds, with roll 250ish. As you can see I still need a lot of work.

These stats don't really mean very much on their own.

How long is the course?

How penal is the rough?

What are the consequences for missing fairways?

Your roll on other courses might be zero if the fairways are soft.

These stats are not transportable.

How tough is the course?

Is 75 on this course as good a score as 80 would be on another?

In any case, I think you're putting the cart before the horse.

Good stats are a consequence of good play.
Play well and your stats will be good.

That's not to say that stats don't tell you what to work on.

I'm not quite sure how you think you can put in a stat-based plan to break 70.

Stats aren't going to help you when you play a really good round but ruin it with an OB on the 18th tee.

You should never start a round with a specific score in mind. Worse is to have a score in mind mid way through your round.


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I agree with my homie from White Plains!! (I went to Stepinac).  the only 2 cents I can add is your putting is OK for a 7 hdcp...I hit a bunch of greens also but as they say, you're on the dance floor but can't hear the music.

You're not going to make birdies from 35' and you certainly will 3 putt a few times...maybe more than a few if the greens you play are severe.  To bring those 7 and 8 irons in from 35' to 15' is a huge jump in skill level.

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Originally Posted by case31

The program is working properly.  You said in your original post that you hit 50% GIR and your putts per hole is 1.9.  So the program is taking 1.9 and dividing by .5 (which is the same as multiplying by 2) to get 3.8.  What the stat is trying to tell you is that about 95% of the time you hit a GIR, you are making par.  Your putts per hole (regardless of GIR) needs to go down.  A better way to track putting would be to keep average putts for only GIRs and average putts for non-GIRs separately.  You want your average for non-GIRs to be as close to 1 as possible, meaning getting up and down for par.

I know this sounds obvious, but the key to achieving your goal is to get the number of bogeys in a round down to 1 or 2 at the most.  Obvious, yes...but to put emphasis on it: You want to shoot <70, that means when you make a bogey, you pretty much have to make 2 birdies to make up for it.  And being honest, if you make 4 bogeys in a round, the chances of also making 7 birdies and 7 pars (or better) extremely slim.


FWIW - This makes absolutely no sense to me.  Are you sure you are entering the stats properly?  Does the program give you the option of entering putts on individual holes and are you doing so?  I don't know what purpose a program would spit out 3.8 putts per GIR, something is wrong.  If you are simply entering in your total putts per round, perhaps that is the issue.  In this case the programmay be taking say 36 putts and dividing it by 9 GIR.  Usually if the output doesn't make sense, the input is the first place to check.

With respect to your game, while I am currently an 11 handicap, I was once a scratch and have broken 70 about a dozen times (though not in the last 15 years).  I simply don't play/practice enough.  That said, I can clearly see where the issue is in my game and that is giving myself birdie opportunities.  There is more than 1 way to skin a cat, but you need to be putting for birdie 13-14x per round in my opinion.  Ask yourself what is holding you back from that on your home course?  If your home course is 7,000yds and you hit the ball 250yds off the tee you are looking at a lot of 3/4/5 irons into the greens.  Those aren't scoring irons and you may need to find a way to add length.  If you course is tree lined and you are only hitting 45% of your fairways, you are probably wasting a lot of shots by having to punch out, which is basically a penalty shot.  Unless you are Luke Donald, we can all improve our putting, but in all my playing days I have rarely seen someone shoot sub-70 and not hit at least 10 greens that day.  Best of luck!


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average putts per GIR is 3.8?? I would work on getting that around 2... you said you hit 50% GIR - obviously that's 9 holes a round. If you drop 1.8 strokes on every GIR you hit, you'll drop 16.2 strokes per round..... pretty obvious that will get you breaking 70.. work on your lag putting. don't just hit 20 putts to a hole 25 feet away - that will only work on your repetition skills. hit 20 putts, but vary the distance of every putt - that will help your feel on lag putts.

good luck.

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A huge difference I see between nearly scratch golfers and scratch golfers, is as saltman said, giving yourself birdie opportunities. A nearly scratch golfer can hit the GIR a good amount of the time, but the birdie putts may not be close enough to make a higher percentage of the time.  A scratch golfer puts the ball close a good chunk of time, giving them the highest percentage of making birdie.  This comes down to two things I think, being confident and able to make putts within 20ft a good chunk of the time, and secondly being able to put your second shots within/around that 20ft.

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Originally Posted by Noonan1

average putts per GIR is 3.8?? I would work on getting that around 2... you said you hit 50% GIR - obviously that's 9 holes a round. If you drop 1.8 strokes on every GIR you hit, you'll drop 16.2 strokes per round..... pretty obvious that will get you breaking 70.. work on your lag putting. don't just hit 20 putts to a hole 25 feet away - that will only work on your repetition skills. hit 20 putts, but vary the distance of every putt - that will help your feel on lag putts.

good luck.


Seriously??  Its pretty obvious that stat is incorrect.  He is currently a 7 handicap!

If he is hitting 9 GIR per round and nearly 4 putting he is recording about 8-9 double bogeys per round.  That means on the other 9 holes he is making birdie or better without hitting the green, so basically this guy would be chipping in or 4 putting for double.

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