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  1. 1. Do you still have some pre 2010 wedges?

    • Yes but I didn't make a point of it.
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    • Yes and I stockpiled enough to last for 10 years.
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    • No, I replace them regularly, so I have all new wedges.
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Fourputt Incredible Member

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All of the controversy over the Anchored putting ban got me to thinking about the last battle when they changed the rules on grooves. There was at least as much crying and hand-wringing over that as there is about the putting ban.  But there was one difference, and that is that the groove rule allowed wedges manufactured before 1/1/2011 to still be made with the larger grooves, and club level players are still allowed to use them until 2024 unless playing in a competition in which the conditions disallow them.

At the time of the change, a lot of players swore that they were going to stockpile a supply of the old wedges to last them until the ban when into effect.  What I'm wondering is how many of us actually followed through on that commitment?  And how many are still using the old large groove wedges?  By the way, it's a fallacy that the the new grooves are all V-grooves.  The only thing that was changed was the allowed width, spacing, volume, and edge radius.  They are still allowed to be "square", but not as deep or to have the sharp edges.

I have two pre 2011 wedges, not because I made a point of getting them, but because I don't change out my wedges as often as many do.  I just happened to have bought them before the change.  Mine are a Cleveland CG 15 56° and a Titleist Vokey 54°.

So, do you still have some large groove wedges?

Rick

"He who has the fastest cart will never have a bad lie."

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I didn't make a point of stocking up on the pre11 wedges and recently replaced them with conforming wedges. Sometimes, I use the old ones to practice with. I know there is a slight difference, but it hasn't reflected in my play. So to answer your question, there was no wedge stockpile in my garage. I was not a "Wedge Prepper".

Cobra LTDx 10.5* | Big Tour 15.5*| Rad Tour 18.5*  | Titleist U500 4-23* | T100 5-P | Vokey SM7 50/8* F, 54/10* S, SM8 58/10* S | Scotty Cameron Squareback No. 1 | Vice Pro Plus  

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I still have 2.  Both Vokeys..... 56* and 58*.  Both will likely be replaced this year.

My irons are pre-2011 too.

Certainly not stockpiling.  I'm nowhere near good enough to discern any real world difference.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw
Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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dsc123 Great Member

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I bought a set of wedges a bit sooner than I otherwise would have because of the groove rule (got GC 15's) but I've lost them on the course and replaced them with conforming wedges.  Probably doesn't make a difference at my level.

Dan

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Fourputt Incredible Member

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Originally Posted by David in FL

I still have 2.  Both Vokeys..... 56* and 58*.  Both will likely be replaced this year.

My irons are pre-2011 too.

Certainly not stockpiling.  I'm nowhere near good enough to discern any real world difference.

My Titleist AP-2 irons are pre 2010 too, but they were already made with V-grooves.  I do 95% of my greenside chips and pitches with the PW and GW from that set.  I never did get what the fuss was all about.  A year from now everyone will have forgotten the anchoring debate too.

Rick

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indyvai Well Established Member

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Hahaha! I just announced my stockpile in an anchoring thread... I think I have 4 sets with 1 year of wear on 2 sets... so I'm peachy! Gonna use a broomstick this year as well...
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I'm trying to figure out why anyone would need to stockpile clubs (unless you play on a lot rougher courses than I do).

Do you guys seriously damage clubs so much that they are unplayable after a few years?  Hell, I'm still playing with my first set of irons (over 30 years old now).  Granted, I'm not a great golfer so maybe I'm playing the game wrong, but how are your clubs getting damaged?

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I am still using my 17 year old 55 degree SW.

In my  bag:

Driver, Callaway Diablo Edge Tour 9.5 stiff

3, 5 woods: Callaway Diablo Edge Tour 15,18 degrees Stiff

2 hybrid: Callaway Diable Edge Tour 18 degrees R (out when the 5 wood is in)

3,6 hybrids: Callaway Diablo Edge 21 S and 30 degrees R

4,5 hybrids: Callaway Razr X HL 24 and 27 degrees Stiff

7-AW irons: Callaway Razr HL graphite R shafts 

SW 54 Callaway X Series Jaws CC Slate Fujikura Graphite Stiff

Putter: Odessey White Ice 1 Blade Putter. 

Ball...looking for any ball that hates water, sand, long grass, and getting lost in the woods. 

I can't find any, so forced to use ones that seem to love all the above. 

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Originally Posted by dave67az

I'm trying to figure out why anyone would need to stockpile clubs (unless you play on a lot rougher courses than I do).

Do you guys seriously damage clubs so much that they are unplayable after a few years?  Hell, I'm still playing with my first set of irons (over 30 years old now).  Granted, I'm not a great golfer so maybe I'm playing the game wrong, but how are your clubs getting damaged?

I've never quite understood it either.  I used the first SW I ever bought for more than a decade.  F or one thing, I spread the wear out over the whole face so they last a lot longer that way.

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mp33 man Well Established Member

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For the most part your wedges/irons don't get "damaged" they simply get worn. If your using cast wedges/irons than they probably wont wear as fast but if your using forged wedges that are forged from a much softer metal then they wear pretty quickly...
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Originally Posted by Fourputt

I've never quite understood it either.  I used the first SW I ever bought for more than a decade.  For one thing, I spread the wear out over the whole face so they last a lot longer that way.

You know, I think we're in the same boat because the only thing getting worn out on some of my irons is the edge of the blade.  Could be worse...could be the hosel.

Originally Posted by mp33 man

For the most part your wedges/irons don't get "damaged" they simply get worn. If your using cast wedges/irons than they probably wont wear as fast but if your using forged wedges that are forged from a much softer metal then they wear pretty quickly...

This I did not know.  So basically if you buy forged wedges and play a lot of golf, you're pretty much committing yourself to buying new clubs every few years?

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You know, I think we're in the same boat because the only thing getting worn out on some of my irons is the edge of the blade.  Could be worse...could be the hosel. This I did not know.  So basically if you buy forged wedges and play a lot of golf, you're pretty much committing yourself to buying new clubs every few years?

Not really, it also depends on what type of ball striker you are and where you practice. I don't know about you but when I hit short irons and wedges I take a pretty big divot therefore making contact with a lot if dirt/sand (abrasives) instead of turf and therefore go through wedges about every two seasons. If the range/s that you practice at use a lot of sand to fill divots, that can contribute as well.

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At the same time though if you've ever hit a good forged wedge and compared it to a cheap cast wedge you may never go back to a cast.

You can say the opposite as well: if you hit a crappy forged wedge and a great cast wedge, you're never going back to forged. Neither proves anything.

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 | 15º 3-Wood: Ping G410 | 17º 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 | 19º 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo | 54º SW, 60º LW: Titleist Vokey SM8 | Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

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You know, I think we're in the same boat because the only thing getting worn out on some of my irons is the edge of the blade.  Could be worse...could be the hosel. This I did not know.  So basically if you buy forged wedges and play a lot of golf, you're pretty much committing yourself to buying new clubs every few years?

[quote name="jamo" url="/t/65325/stockpiling-square-grooves#post_817596"] You can say the opposite as well: if you hit a crappy forged wedge and a great cast wedge, you're never going back to forged. Neither proves anything.[/quote] I don't think that anyone will argue that you don't get more feel from a good forged wedge. I wasn't implying that all cast wedges are cheap either...I think vokeys are cast, am I right? Very nice wedges. Then you also get into the subject if "cast forged" wedges. I didn't go into depth earlier so as to make a quick point and comparison.

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

I've never quite understood it either.  I used the first SW I ever bought for more than a decade.  For one thing, I spread the wear out over the whole face so they last a lot longer that way.

You know, I think we're in the same boat because the only thing getting worn out on some of my irons is the edge of the blade.  Could be worse...could be the hosel.

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Originally Posted by mp33 man

For the most part your wedges/irons don't get "damaged" they simply get worn. If your using cast wedges/irons than they probably wont wear as fast but if your using forged wedges that are forged from a much softer metal then they wear pretty quickly...

This I did not know.  So basically if you buy forged wedges and play a lot of golf, you're pretty much committing yourself to buying new clubs every few years?

That is a bit of a fallacy too.  My first full set were forged Golden Ram blades and I used them for nearly 15 years.  My current set are Titleist AP-2 forged and are almost 4 years old.  I have no intention of getting rid of them in the foreseeable future.

Rick

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That is a bit of a fallacy too.  My first full set were forged Golden Ram blades and I used them for nearly 15 years.  My current set are Titleist AP-2 forged and are almost 4 years old.  I have no intention of getting rid of them in the foreseeable future.

True. But once again what type of hitter are you? Are u a picker or a digger?

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I'm a digger and am on my second set of Mizuno mp33s since 04, I've also replaced just the pitching wedge and 9 iron once on this set...
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