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Senior Golf - Slow, Rude, Clueless & Angry


bkuehn1952

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It can be Hell getting old, but becoming a senior golfer has its benefits.  Senior rates save one a bundle in greens fees.  People expect us to tee off from the forward tees.  In fact, it can be fairly easy to impress others who assume anyone over the age of 60 should be in a rest home.  I became a minor celebrity one day down in Florida.  As I was making the turn the starter asked if I was checking in.  I told him I was making the turn.  He nodded and said, “Oh, you are the guy who walks and carries.”  If I were Native American, that might be a decent name; like “Dances With Wolves”, I could be “Guy Who Walks and Carries”.  Unfortunately, being a senior golfer is not always a stroll in the park.

On another golf website, a number of posters identified foursomes of "seniors" (whatever they think “senior” means) as being the typical group that would not allow faster players to play through.  My response that they were stereotyping was lost on them.  Kids, what do they know anyway.

Still, I can understand why some might develop a stereotype about us (I am 63).  Frankly, there are more of us "seniors" out on the course than just about any other demographic group in many places.  The odds of occasionally running into a slow/rude/clueless/angry senior is a lot higher than most identifiable population segments one finds on a golf course.

When someone talks about seniors being slow, I always flash back to a round I played at the quintessential “muni” in Sarasota, FL, “Bobby Jones Golf Club.”   The courses are flat as a pancake, not too difficult and cheap.  I had joined a threesome and we were following a foursome of walkers who appeared to average 90 years in age.  They were a bit slow but the course was fairly full and no serious gaps were evident.  As we walked off the 4th green, I saw one of their group creeping along a wetland near the 5th tee with ball retriever fully extended.  When we arrived at the tee, someone in his group, which was walking down the fairway, shouted at the guy, “Morrie, put the damn ball retriever away and move it!!”  While there certainly are seniors like “Morrie” playing golf, my experience is many seniors are pretty darn fast.  When you may only have a few years left on Earth, you tend to want to move along.

As to rude, at 63, I know I have become a touch more outspoken when I see someone insisting on being an idiot.  For example, the caddie who always stood on the far side of the green away from the direction of the next hole.  He was informed to get his butt over where his player would be exiting.  Of course this bit of wisdom was delivered only after I walked the length of the 175 yard par 3 on which we were waiting.

There is also the possibility that I have become a bit clueless as a senior.  The single who drove up with his clubs rattling and music playing while I was teeing off on #18 seemed to think so.  He asked if he could play in with us on #18 and I told him "No, unless you are a lot less noisy."  He looked at me like, “what the heck is wrong with this clueless old guy?”

I know the golfer who whistled a ball past my head on the finishing hole recently might say seniors are angry.  As I walked to my car, he rolled up in his cart and offered up this explanation for why they did not yell “fore.”  “Sorry dude, my buddy and me (sic) lost sight of my shot.”  Let’s just say my response is unprintable and he left thinking senior golfers can be pretty angry “dudes”.

Now that I think about it again, maybe those guys on the other website were right.  Maybe I am just another slow/rude/clueless/angry senior golfer.  :facepalm

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1 hour ago, Fourputt said:

There is no way you can justify your actions, so you might as well stop trying.  You are wrong, whether you can see it or not.

Your opinion is noted. 

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From just the small number of responses to this, one can see how any issue can be contentious. lol.  I love golf a whole lot more now in my senior years,  It seems less encumbered by the flotsam and jetsam that floats through one's life in the earlier years, Jobs, kids, debts, wives. It seems easier to focus now on what really matters.  AJ Balfour wrote  100 years ago that" A tolerable day, a tolerable green, a tolerable opponent, supply, or aught to supply all that any reasonably constituted human being should require in the way of entertainment".  With all the bullshit carved away, he surmises that the view and the day should allow a golfer to dismiss worries and clear his mind.  And you don't even have to play good golf.  Young men cannot afford to think like that, Mr Balfour would be heartily distressed at the way young men play golf today.  Thank goodness in time, if one lives long enough, the true meaning of it all supplants the rest.  A beer at the end of a round on a sunny porch/deck makes it just about perfect. Even if only for a minute.

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I finally joined a private club 2 weeks ago. Most members are atleast 50+. Many in 60s and 70s. But I have to admit the leagues are absolutely awesome with these guys. They are all walk with pull carts, fast, pleasant, mature, sensible and please, they have a clue. Again my personal experience and everybody has theirs but stereotyping old guys as the title suggests is tunnel-visioned at best.   

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I just finished a round with two gentlemen from our club that were over 70.  They didn't hit the ball long but we finished in 3:15.    

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Another instance that happened to us came to mind. We were playing at a relatively new course in our area. This is definitely "big boy golf"! 5 sets of tees, but if you're a mid handicapper you can play the ladies tees and there is nothing easy about this place. The greens, and green complexes are huge, and God help you if you end up above the hole!

In front of us was a group that featured one old guy who it seemed could barely walk! Even if you're riding, which they and we were, you will do a fair amount of walking just around the greens. We felt sorry for the old guy despite the fact we were being held up, and wondered why he was there he was obviously laboring so badly.

We cooked up the idea that one member of his foursome was treating him to a round at "the most challenging, upscale, public course in the area!" But who knows? It would be hard to imagine someone in that shape inviting such self abuse. This course beats us up enough, and we can still move pretty well.

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On 5/4/2016 at 8:22 PM, Buckeyebowman said:

Another instance that happened to us came to mind. We were playing at a relatively new course in our area. This is definitely "big boy golf"! 5 sets of tees, but if you're a mid handicapper you can play the ladies tees and there is nothing easy about this place. The greens, and green complexes are huge, and God help you if you end up above the hole!

In front of us was a group that featured one old guy who it seemed could barely walk! Even if you're riding, which they and we were, you will do a fair amount of walking just around the greens. We felt sorry for the old guy despite the fact we were being held up, and wondered why he was there he was obviously laboring so badly.

We cooked up the idea that one member of his foursome was treating him to a round at "the most challenging, upscale, public course in the area!" But who knows? It would be hard to imagine someone in that shape inviting such self abuse. This course beats us up enough, and we can still move pretty well.

In a case where a player is not capable of keeping up because of the excessive distances, isn't there an allowance for disabled players to be able to take the carts closer to the greens?  In the Denver area, I don't know of a course that doesn't offer handicapped card or flag for players who have trouble walking even around the green complexes - I used that benefit for a few weeks after having my knee scoped, and again after foot surgery.  In fact the ADA requires that such be available on a course which caters to the public.

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55 minutes ago, Fourputt said:

In a case where a player is not capable of keeping up because of the excessive distances, isn't there an allowance for disabled players to be able to take the carts closer to the greens?  In the Denver area, I don't know of a course that doesn't offer handicapped card or flag for players who have trouble walking even around the green complexes - I used that benefit for a few weeks after having my knee scoped, and again after foot surgery.  In fact the ADA requires that such be available on a course which caters to the public.

I dont know but I have seen handicap flags on carts..Those guys take their carts everywhere.. They also hit further than me but are total assholes never letting anyone play through.

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1 hour ago, Fourputt said:

In a case where a player is not capable of keeping up because of the excessive distances, isn't there an allowance for disabled players to be able to take the carts closer to the greens?  

You are correct. Most courses seem to allow this. 

We recently were playing after several days rain. The course said cart path only.  I asked about getting a handicap flag for one of our group who, when really motoring, will walk about 1 mph.  I told the course it was going to be a problem pace-wise to have him walking back & forth.  Sorry, they said, no exceptions.

We decided to have him hit from the cart path side of the fairway (or rough) equidistant to where his ball actually lay.  One of us would trot over and get his ball from the other side. We managed to keep pace and the rest of us got a bit of extra exercise.

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I'm glad I can still walk and play, at my relatively young old-codger-age of 60.  I hope I'm still playing when I'm 80, and that I have friends who will help me out the same way you did. :beer:

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On 5/6/2016 at 1:56 PM, bkuehn1952 said:

You are correct. Most courses seem to allow this. 

We recently were playing after several days rain. The course said cart path only.  I asked about getting a handicap flag for one of our group who, when really motoring, will walk about 1 mph.  I told the course it was going to be a problem pace-wise to have him walking back & forth.  Sorry, they said, no exceptions.

We decided to have him hit from the cart path side of the fairway (or rough) equidistant to where his ball actually lay.  One of us would trot over and get his ball from the other side. We managed to keep pace and the rest of us got a bit of extra exercise.

That's a smart solution! The last time we played this course, it was "cart path only". It became a running joke whenever we'd hit a drive on the side of the hole away from the cart path! We knew we had a hike coming. And I don't know what course policy is toward handicapped golfers, but you could drive right up to the fringe of some of these greens, and still have one hell of a walk just to putt out!

My buddies and I aren't in that bad a shape, but we are honestly tired when we finish a round here!

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