Handicap Entry Question

[Rulesman]

When US players return their scores do they have to enter their handicap in addition to the gross or hole by hole score?

[DaveP043]

29 minutes ago, Rulesman said:

When US players return their scores do they have to enter their handicap in addition to the gross or hole by hole score?

When we sign on, the system already "knows" our handicap, we do not have to enter it.

[Rulesman]

6 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

When we sign on, the system already "knows" our handicap, we do not have to enter it.

Do players write their handicap on their card, as required by the RoG?

[DaveP043]

As I read the rules, the handicap is required to be on the card in handicapped stroke play competitions, and that rule is followed, in my experience.  There isn't a similar requirement for gross stroke play competitions, only that the scorecard be returned (with the correct hole scores, of course).

For casual play, we don't typically submit cards, so the requirement to show the handicap on a scorecard in a stroke play competition seems immaterial.  When we're playing some type of informal stroke play competition, we'd typically write the handicap on that card, but if we're simply playing without competing, it might not be shown.  With only a  brief review, I didn't see any requirement to keep a scorecard of any kind in match play, although keeping a card is certainly a good way of keeping track of the status of the match, of where strokes will fall, etc.  

I just realized an interesting disconnect between the new handicap rules and the Rules of Golf.  The new distinction between Course Handicap and Playing Handicap isn't reflected in the playing rules.  It seems appropriate that the scorecard show the Playing Handicap, which could be noticeably different from the Course Handicap.  I'm sure the next issue of the Rules of Golf will make that clear.

[Asheville]

3 hours ago, Rulesman said:

Do players write their handicap on their card, as required by the RoG?

Scorecard need not be a piece of cardboard with little squares on it.

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=fr&section=definitions&subrulenum=59

[iacas]

HJGT uses smart phones as scorecards.

[Club Rat]

1 hour ago, Asheville said:

Scorecard need not be a piece of cardboard with little squares on it.

Our Metropolitan Amateur's Association and District Golfers Association distributes "Official Cards" during competition and also utilizes Electronic Scoring Applications.

The Card is official and must be signed by players and competitors for each round.

Electronic Scoring is used for ease for the Committee to enter scores into their Application and scorecards are checked during by them.
Handicaps are displayed on Scorecards and the Electronic Scoring Leaderboards.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Club Rat said:

Our Metropolitan Amateur's Association and District Golfers Association distributes "Official Cards" during competition and also utilizes Electronic Scoring Applications.

The Card is official and must be signed by players and competitors for each round.

Electronic Scoring is used for ease for the Committee to enter scores into their Application and scorecards are checked during by them.
Handicaps are displayed on Scorecards and the Electronic Scoring Leaderboards.

Not sure what the point of this was.

Scorecards need not be paper or even physical "cards." Like I said, the HJGT has players keep score and sign a smart phone. No physical card at all.

[DaveP043]

In thinking about it a bit deeper, this thread illustrates some of the differences in handicap culture between the US and England.  As I understand it, CONGU has used primarily competition stroke play scores for handicaps.  Scorecards must be submitted for competitions, and for net competitions, the scorecard must show the correct handicap, per the RoG.

In the USGA, we've used non-competition scores for handicaps.  Without a competition, there's no specific requirement to return a card.  We've counted match play scores for handicap.  There's no requirement to return a card for match play, even in formal competitions.  We include fourball stroke play scores.  Each player's handicap must be shown on the card in a handicap competition, but there is no requirement under the RoG to write a score for each player on every hole, as long as at least one player's score is recorded for the team. As I read @Rulesman's questions, he's trying to understand whether we in the USGA areas follow similar procedures to those he is accustomed to seeing under CONGU, and the answer is no.  The reason we don't follow the same procedures is that we include different (additional) types of scores for handicap calculation.

[Rulesman]

14 hours ago, iacas said:

HJGT uses smart phones as scorecards.

Do they provide the facility to register entry into a competition or pre-register a casual score via the app?

[iacas]

5 hours ago, Rulesman said:

Do they provide the facility to register entry into a competition or pre-register a casual score via the app?

Why would they? It’s for the tournament scoring.

HJGT is the Hurricane Junior Golf Tour, @Rulesman. They use smart phones for a live leaderboard AND the official scorecard.

[DaveP043]

5 hours ago, Rulesman said:

Do they provide the facility to register entry into a competition or pre-register a casual score via the app?

In the US we are not required to pre-register casual rounds.  Instead, we are required to post ALL casual rounds, subject to a couple of other requirements.

[Rulesman]

12 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

In the US we are not required to pre-register casual rounds.  Instead, we are required to post ALL casual rounds, subject to a couple of other requirements.

Of course. I keep forgetting that.