Pro VI Balls

[r7 425]

Heres an interesting article about Billy Mayfair talking about the low spin Pro-V1 and how straight it flys

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=102619

Case in point--hes having trouble working the Pro-V1 because of its low spin

[iacas]

  r7 425 said:

Tim Herron is right-you can ask any Titleist rep about this.

Okay, I just asked the senior vice president of Titleist's golf ball division. You're wrong.

  r7 425 said:

The pro v1's are popular for a reason. He plays on tour for cyring out loud. I think that he would know this. Balls that compress more fly straighter because the MOI is increased.

Oh brother, now you think it's MOI? Do you even know what MOI is or stands for without having to look it up? You do realize that golf balls are spheres and have no inherent differences in MOI within each ball, and differences across balls are incredibly small and due only to minor differences in densities of material, right?

The Pro V1 spins more than the Pro V1x. It spins more, in part, because it's softer. It compresses a bit more on the clubface and more spin is imparted. Same reason it launches a little bit lower too.

  r7 425 said:

Heres an interesting article about Billy Mayfair talking about the low spin Pro-V1 and how straight it flys

1) The article is from 2004

2) Billy Mayfair played the Pro V1x, which spins LESS than the Pro V1 3) Both the Pro V1 and the Pro V1x spin LESS than the Tour Balata and Professional and other SOFTER balls that came before, and THAT is what he's comparing the Pro V1x to. Since you were about four in the year 2000, I don't expect you to know this, but balls used to be made out of very soft materials. They had rubber bands inside and wrapped around a liquid center. Even the "cheap" balls like the DT Wound were built this way, though they had a firmer cover made of surlyn. But the top-tier balls, why, they had this gummy stuff from a tree named balata. It was really soft - you could even put a "smiley" in a golf ball if you caught it thin. Those balls spun like crazy. They were quite soft. Modern balls, in comparison, spin much less. They're quite a bit firmer than they used to be. Among the modern duo of the Pro V1 and the Pro V1x, the Pro V1 spins more and thus curves more. Tiger plays a super-spinny version of his Nike balls. He likes to curve the ball more than perhaps any other PGA Tour pro. You're wrong. P.S. Your video proves nothing. It shows the compression of a golf ball. Big deal. Here's another shot showing the same thing. Golf balls compress at impact. The Pro V1 compresses more than the Pro V1x, and both compress a lot less than the Tour Balata used to.

[r7 425]

Tell me how -a softer ball takes up more of the clubface whenever it is compressed-thus the spin is greatly reduced. More surface area of a club that is taken up by the surface of a ball means the ball is thus closer to the center of the face. Everyone knows sidespin is reduced the closer you get to the center of the clubface. The softer the surface of the ball the more of the clubface it takes up.

[Wisco-Kid]

Give it up r7. You are wrong. Done deal. Flip the burger.

[dave39]

This thread is hilarious.

r7, not to be disrespectful or anything but you could not be more wrong. What you are arguing actually goes against science. The longer a golf ball holds onto a driver face the more spin. You are arguing for the opposite which is just not right.

Think about it. When you throw a baseball does it spin more throwing it normal or just pushing it off of your palm without gripping it?
Answer- It spins more when you grip it and throw it properly.

This is the exact same thing for a golf ball on a club face. Softer balls equal more grip equal more spin.

[SteelDriver]

  iacas said:

There's no need to "agree to disagree" when you're talking about facts. He's wrong. You can agree to stop arguing with him, but that's another thing altogether.

I know its fact, I just cant argue that the sky is blue for ever...

  r7 425 said:

Believe me-listen to what Billy Mayfair and Tim Herron said.

I think its smart they or Titleist says that. You know how many boxes of those ULTRA EXPENSIVE balls newbes will be firing off into the woods? They might have upped their sales by 90%!

I almost have to believe you are joking by now.

[SuaSponteMn]

Didn't Callaway and Bridgestone already win their cases? Last I heard, Titleist was required to pay a percentage of each ProV1 ball sold to both Callaway and Bridgestone. I was also under the impression that Callayway was filing an injuction to have all ProV1's removed from store shelves by the end of 2008, and that Titleist may not use a naming convention of 'ProV' on future balls either?

[r7 425]

Think of it this way if i put my finger on the face of a driver--and then all of a sudden put more pressure on my finger-making it softer---will the finger cover more area of the driver---Yes it will.. The Same thing goes for a ball-thus the ball will be closer to the center of the face reducing spin

Its more the outer layer's softenss than anything else that helps reduce the spin. With these ultra soft polyurethane covers-the ball is catching less of the barriers of the dimples.

[dave39]

  r7 425 said:

Think of it this way if i put my finger on the face of a driver--and then all of a sudden put more pressure on my finger-making it softer---will the finger cover more area of the driver---Yes it will.. The Same thing goes for a ball

Exactly, which will make it spin more. More surface area for the club to grab equals more grip which equals more spin.

You are going to have to take our word for it, otherwise you can just sit there in denial.

[r7 425]

Explain to me how it will spin more--did you ever hit a 10 yard wedge shot with a pro v1 and a top flite...the accuracy is tremendous. The pro v1 stays on the face a lot longer

[dave39]

  r7 425 said:

Explain to me how it will spin more--did you ever hit a 10 yard wedge shot with a pro v1 and a top flite...the accuracy is tremendous. The pro v1 stays on the face a lot longer

Which means it is going to spin more. You are not helping your argument what so ever.

LoL!! I really think you should go do your homework in regards to this if you ever want to sound like a person who is capable of giving a credible/educated opinion.

[The Wilderness]

  r7 425 said:

Explain to me how it will spin more--did you ever hit a 10 yard wedge shot with a pro v1 and a top flite...the accuracy is tremendous. The pro v1 stays on the face a lot longer

The soft urethane cover on the Pro V1 is grabbed by the sharp grooves on wedges thus causing it to spin more.

this is the best thread ever, i think I may start one called the earth is flat and have you all try to convince me otherwise.

[dave39]

  The Wilderness said:

The soft urethane cover on the Pro V1 is grabbed by the sharp grooves on wedges thus causing it to spin more.

LoL! What do you mean? Why would we need to convince you? It is flat!!

[iacas]

  SuaSponteMn said:

Didn't Callaway and Bridgestone already win their cases? Last I heard, Titleist was required to pay a percentage of each ProV1 ball sold to both Callaway and Bridgestone.

You heard wrong.

  SuaSponteMn said:

I was also under the impression that Callayway was filing an injuction to have all ProV1's removed from store shelves by the end of 2008, and that Titleist may not use a naming convention of 'ProV' on future balls either?

Also wrong.

If you want to read further, I suggest this , this , or other articles from reputable sources around the web.

  r7 425 said:

Tell me how -a softer ball takes up more of the clubface whenever it is compressed-thus the spin is greatly reduced. More surface area of a club that is taken up by the surface of a ball means the ball is thus closer to the center of the face. Everyone knows sidespin is reduced the closer you get to the center of the clubface. The softer the surface of the ball the more of the clubface it takes up.

Uhhh, everyone knows sidespin is caused by the path of the club not matching the angle of the face. That results in both sidespin and backspin. Sidespin if the club is cutting across the ball (relative to the face) one way or the other. Backspin because the loft of the club isn't lined up with the direction it's traveling forward into the ball.

Distance from the center is an almost negligible thing, and if you've never heard of something like the gear effect, it's all a waste of effort. Furthermore, basic physics tells you that the center of the ball's location relative to the clubface is what matters with MOI. It would also tell you that, in fact, something that rebounds more quickly will likely have less effect on a club's MOI than one that compresses more - the exact opposite of what you're saying. But MOI really has no basis for this discussion. You're a 2 handicap (I now doubt that very much) that thinks that you curve the ball and achieve backspin because you hit the ball off-center. Uh hmmm. You're wrong. Virtually everything you've said is wrong. Thread closed.