Transition Problems

[JuliWooli]

I have always had a flattish back swing returning to the ball on an 'in to out' plane (my hands return to the ball inside the backswing plane and my shaft plane is also flatter on the downswing). A push draw/hook was my natural shot.

This winter I have been working very hard on steepening my backswing, especially holding the angle of my right elbow and in turn a straighter left arm at the top. This has led to the flattening action increasing on my downswing and reaching impact with an open club face. I am presently hitting a push fade because I am struggling to get the club face square/closed at impact.

The transition into the downswing is where I am feeling uncomfortable or should I say alien. I can't feel my club head as vividly during transition/down swing with this back swing alteration.

Any tips would be appreciated.

[saevel25]

Start a My Swing thread and post a down the line video. 

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Start a My Swing thread and post a down the line video. 

Feel ain’t real.

[JuliWooli]

 

 

Sorry, This is all I've got!

I'm pretty famous so I've blocked out my identity.

 

 

[iacas]

Your problem is not that your backswing is flat.

[JuliWooli]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Your problem is not that your backswing is flat.

Yes, my backswing is no longer flat and the problem has arisen since I steepened it. 

[iacas]

The problem is your right elbow.

[Double Mocha Man]

2 hours ago, JuliWooli said:

I'm pretty famous so I've blocked out my identity.

Ah yes, I heard you invented the Pfizer vaccine...

Edited April 13, 2021 by Double Mocha Man

[JuliWooli]

4 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Ah yes, I heard you invented the Pfizer vaccine...

Well, I helped develop it but my swing could be reinvented.

 

10 minutes ago, iacas said:

The problem is your right elbow.

Yes it gets too much behind me and I'm working on that but my flatter swing had similar elbow conditions. Surely that can't be why my club face is open at impact.

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, JuliWooli said:

Surely that can't be why my club face is open at impact.

Sorry. Ask your all knowing dad maybe.

[JuliWooli]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

Sorry. Ask your all knowing dad maybe.

My Dad passed away last month.

[iacas]

Sorry to hear that.

Regarding your golf swing, still photos aren’t going to cut it.

Good luck.

[JuliWooli]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

Sorry to hear that.

Regarding your golf swing, still photos aren’t going to cut it.

Good luck.

Thanks!

Truth is my Mum's well rid of him. Her life was hell. He hated Xmas, birthdays, you, morning people, mornings and people.

[Shorty]

1 hour ago, JuliWooli said:

Well, I helped develop it but my swing could be reinvented.

 

Yes it gets too much behind me and I'm working on that but my flatter swing had similar elbow conditions. Surely that can't be why my club face is open at impact.

Maybe I'm strange, but if a swing instructor who knows his stuff as well as anyone is giving me FREE advice I think I'd give him a  chance to help me rather than shutting him down. 

[woodzie264]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

The problem is your right elbow.

 

1 hour ago, JuliWooli said:

Surely that can't be why my club face is open at impact.

Not sure if you really want help with that response.

maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

37 minutes ago, Shorty said:

Maybe I'm strange, but if a swing instructor who knows his stuff as well as anyone is giving me FREE advice I think I'd give him a  chance to help me rather than shutting him down. 

^^^^ this

[JuliWooli]

32 minutes ago, Shorty said:

Maybe I'm strange...

I'm happy to receive any advice and "The problem is your right elbow" is a throw away piece of free advice, but is it really helpful?

Something more constructive like, "Take a look at this Pat Perez video where he explains how he solved the same problem after steepening his swing. Or another video where Rick Fowler got really flat on the downswing or go to page 48 of the 'Little Red Book' where Harvey Keitel describes this common fault in detail."

Now that would be helpful.

[woodzie264]

12 minutes ago, JuliWooli said:

I'm happy to receive any advice and "The problem is your right elbow" is a throw away piece of free advice, but is it really helpful?

Something more constructive like, "Take a look at this Pat Perez video where he explains how he solved the same problem after steepening his swing. Or another video where Rick Fowler got really flat on the downswing or go to page 48 of the 'Little Red Book' where Harvey Keitel describes this common fault in detail."

Now that would be helpful.

Some folks with various issues and some knowledge of the swing, may have felt pointing out the position of your right elbow being the problem was a very helpful piece of information.

I can’t speak for @Shorty, but your response seemed to be dismissive rather than following up with a question to Iacas’s response with something like “what do you mean by that?” You seemed to close the interaction, as Shorty phrased it, “shutting him down.”  
 

ultimately, like anyone else on this forum, if you are really interested in fixing your swing, we are going to want to see a video (dynamic swing) in order to identify issues and make corrective recommendations...and you shut that down as well.

[JuliWooli]

7 minutes ago, woodzie264 said:

Some folks with various issues and some knowledge of the swing, may have felt pointing out the position of your right elbow being the problem was a very helpful piece of information.

I can’t speak for @Shorty, but your response seemed to be dismissive rather than following up with a question to Iacas’s response with something like “what do you mean by that?” You seemed to close the interaction, as Shorty phrased it, “shutting him down.”  
 

No, I acknowledged his reply and only pushed him for perhaps a little more. I did realise that he was finished with me when he said I should ask my all-knowing dad.