The Stack System - A Conversation on Gaining Swing Speed

[iacas]

  On 10/30/2024 at 12:01 AM, Clemsonfan said:

Thanks. I have tried many things without success. Maybe I will email Sasho MacKenzie and see if they have a solution.

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He's not really going to provide support for a radar that isn't his. You're asking for support for a third-party product. Better to write to PRGR (though I doubt they'll reply).

[Clemsonfan]

Response from Stack:
 

Hi Jeff,

 

This is one of the downfalls of the PRGR and there is no good way to work around it.   We have fixed this with our new Stack Radar as we have a minimum speed detection feature so I recommend that you upgrade to the Stack Radar to solve this issue.  I have put a link below to the Stack Radar with a 10% discount to help you out. 

[Daz_96]

Started the Stack recently after toying with the idea for a while

For me the grit score is a great idea, you feel a responsibility to stick to the programme. Hopefully see some progress along the lines of other posters. Will keep everyone informed how i get on.

For reference I'm a new dad (8 months) and live in Scotland so its very much the off season so i have gone from little if any golf to basically none so I'm realistically stacking at the moment without hitting any balls. My garage doesn't have enough head clearance to hit balls in but i'm contemplating getting a decent net so i can stack and maintain my technique in the off season.

Happy stacking, if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

[Daz_96]

Had a good session this morning

I also did manage to get to hit some balls at the range couple days ago and was seeing driver swing speeds when hitting balls ranging from 108-111mph

I’ve always been able to peak around 108-109 but these swings at the range felt more like full swings and not max swings when hitting the ball so probably have seen some improvement

The big jump shown on the app is probably “mostly” down the the workouts introducing “Max” swings speeds (you can change this in the app) but even if I was just comparing cruising swing speeds, plus the evidence when hitting balls, I’d say there’s been a 2-3mph increase so far.

Sessions are quick and easy. Convenient for someone like me who has little spare time at the moment. Looking forward to seeing what further gains I can make!

[iacas]

You’re still pretty new to it too.

[Daz_96]

Speeds were a bit inconsistent tonight, had quite a bit of variety to them. 

Can’t say I know why but definitely noticed more variety compared to previous sessions.

Despite the very minor disappointment not seeing any further improvement from the last session (I know this is going to happen a lot!!) I still felt good that I done it and have stayed committed. 

I finish up for work on Friday for Christmas for a couple weeks so hopefully will get on the course, so will be good to get some on course swing speeds just to be nosy. I have spent quite a bit of time on trackman when I was in the Scottish Golf Junior Squad so I am pretty confident with my numbers so will let people know what I think when on the course ⛳️

 

[Daz_96]

Last couple sessions I’ve felt good. I’ve managed to PB on almost every different weight I’ve used except the 195g which most will know is the weight used to identify driver eSpeed.

i have noticed a very slight increase however in my 195g ‘Full Swing’ whereas my ‘Max Swing’ has been stuck at 102mph last few sessions. I do feel like I have quicker in me. My target at the start would have been to get to 105mph giving an eSpeed of 115mph. With around 50% or so of the foundations programme left I think this is definitely achievable

 

 

[Daz_96]

Been frustrating last few sessions. Starting to struggle to see gains with the 195g Max Effort.

I did go and hit balls at the range a couple days ago and the radar had my swing speed at 110mph which is definitely faster than when I begun (previous speed recorded at my driver fitting was 107-108mph). So I would say so far I comfortable gain of 2-3mph without trying to hit the ball hard. Hopefully will break through this barrier I seem to be at and start seeing some gains

 

[11bravoveteran]

Finished full speed spectrum finally after being sick a couple times..Come a long way since August, not too shabby at 53. Recommended neural drive next. My best gains were 200g and above for high percentile. I saw some gains in the 80?-165 range but the real light weights is not my strong area..

[DeadMan]

Does anyone else have the swing speed radar and had the experience of it going completely haywire? It’s been decent for me until the last 2 weeks. I’m now getting readings on back to back swings that are 20 mph off. I’m getting absolute garbage from it - I have to swing many times to get something close to right. The only thing that works (sometimes) is taking the batteries out.

Here's the radar I'm talking about:

Amazon.com : Swing Speed Radar - Achieve Longer Drives - Delivers Precise Golf Club Swing Speeds from 20 to 200 MPH. Master Consistency with Our US Made Doppler Radar Training Tool for Instant Speed Results : Golf Swing Trainers : Sports & Outdoors

Thinking about just biting the bullet on a stack radar at this point.

Edited February 24 by DeadMan

[iacas]

I'd just get the Stack Radar. I've never been totally comfortable with how it measures, those things. I think people put them in the wrong place. I think it's highly sensitive to where you swing… if you swing the tip end through the radar "beam" (it's not a beam, but you know what I mean I think), you get the true speed. But if you swing the spot 6" up the shaft through the beam, you get a much slower speed.

For the wedge stuff alone I recommend the Stack Radar.

Plus data entry is SOOO easy.

[boogielicious]

  On 2/24/2025 at 3:29 PM, DeadMan said:

Does anyone else have the swing speed radar and had the experience of it going completely haywire? It’s been decent for me until the last 2 weeks. I’m now getting readings on back to back swings that are 20 mph off. I’m getting absolute garbage from it - I have to swing many times to get something close to right. The only thing that works (sometimes) is taking the batteries out.

Here's the radar I'm talking about:

Amazon.com : Swing Speed Radar - Achieve Longer Drives - Delivers Precise Golf Club Swing Speeds from 20 to 200 MPH. Master Consistency with Our US Made Doppler Radar Training Tool for Instant Speed Results : Golf Swing Trainers : Sports & Outdoors

Thinking about just biting the bullet on a stack radar at this point.

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That’s the one I have. It has a pretty narrow read zone. Think of it as an inverted cone coming perpendicular from the middle of the circle on the face. If you swing under the zone it will measure the speed higher up on the shaft. I went as far as taping a pencil perpendicular to the face to get a better understanding of where it is looking. It’s aiming higher than you think when it’s setup the way they suggest.

I would close the legs a bit and aim it at where the ball would be teed up if there was a ball then swing at that spot.

[GolfLug]

  On 2/24/2025 at 3:29 PM, DeadMan said:

Does anyone else have the swing speed radar and had the experience of it going completely haywire? It’s been decent for me until the last 2 weeks. I’m now getting readings on back to back swings that are 20 mph off. I’m getting absolute garbage from it - I have to swing many times to get something close to right. The only thing that works (sometimes) is taking the batteries out.

Here's the radar I'm talking about:

Amazon.com : Swing Speed Radar - Achieve Longer Drives - Delivers Precise Golf Club Swing Speeds from 20 to 200 MPH. Master Consistency with Our US Made Doppler Radar Training Tool for Instant Speed Results : Golf Swing Trainers : Sports & Outdoors

Thinking about just biting the bullet on a stack radar at this point.

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I have it. Works good. As all things electronics, there are analog elements that can 'weaken' like the microwave signal emitting/receiving or the contact between it and conversion module, etc. Might be time for a new one.    

P.S. I've had it for a few years. Other than replacing the battery haven't had any periods of wild reads.

[MK4]

  On 2/24/2025 at 3:40 PM, iacas said:

I'd just get the Stack Radar. I've never been totally comfortable with how it measures, those things. I think people put them in the wrong place. I think it's highly sensitive to where you swing… if you swing the tip end through the radar "beam" (it's not a beam, but you know what I mean I think), you get the true speed. But if you swing the spot 6" up the shaft through the beam, you get a much slower speed.

For the wedge stuff alone I recommend the Stack Radar.

Plus data entry is SOOO easy.

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@DeadManI used to use the Swing Speed radar and, in hindsight, it seems very unreliable.  As @iacassaid, it's prone to misplacement, and I'd sometimes get wildly different speeds from swing-to-swing: like a 103mph, followed by 118mph, then a 102mph, then a 114mph.  I didn't know any better at the time and thought that was normal.  I've since upgraded radars and the new speeds seem much more accurate/consistent.

Also, Mike Carroll (FFG) used to have the SSR and he now calls it a 'random number generator'.  

[DeadMan]

  On 2/25/2025 at 12:01 PM, boogielicious said:

That’s the one I have. It has a pretty narrow read zone. Think of it as an inverted cone coming perpendicular from the middle of the circle on the face. If you swing under the zone it will measure the speed higher up on the shaft. I went as far as taping a pencil perpendicular to the face to get a better understanding of where it is looking. It’s aiming higher than you think when it’s setup the way they suggest.

I would close the legs a bit and aim it at where the ball would be teed up if there was a ball then swing at that spot.

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You're right. I haven't really had an issue with this before, but it's definitely worth closing the legs a bit to see what happens.

  On 2/25/2025 at 1:48 PM, GolfLug said:

I have it. Works good. As all things electronics, there are analog elements that can 'weaken' like the microwave signal emitting/receiving or the contact between it and conversion module, etc. Might be time for a new one.    

P.S. I've had it for a few years. Other than replacing the battery haven't had any periods of wild reads.

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I've had 2 of these and never had this problem before. About 5 years of use between the 2. It's really odd.

  On 2/25/2025 at 2:01 PM, MK4 said:

@DeadManI used to use the Swing Speed radar and, in hindsight, it seems very unreliable.  As @iacassaid, it's prone to misplacement, and I'd sometimes get wildly different speeds from swing-to-swing: like a 103mph, followed by 118mph, then a 102mph, then a 114mph.  I didn't know any better at the time and thought that was normal.  I've since upgraded radars and the new speeds seem much more accurate/consistent.

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Yeah, I've always had a bit of inconsistency and misreads, but this is a new level. I did a baseline session last night, and all my of stack speeds had decreased by roughly 5-10 mph (with me throwing out the obvious garbage readings). Weirdly, the driver speed actually seemed to be right where I expected it. I guess maybe it's having trouble with the smaller head of the stack vs. a driver?

Whatever it is, I think it's time for me to go with the stack radar.

[DeadMan]

  On 2/25/2025 at 3:18 PM, DeadMan said:

Whatever it is, I think it's time for me to go with the stack radar.

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Quick update on this - I've had the stack radar for about 2 weeks now. It's way better than what I was using. The speeds are much more consistent, and the experience is much better and faster with the connectivity to the stack radar. I've had maybe 5 misreads over the course of 4 sessions. I also do like having the ability to see ball speed when you hit actual balls as well. Overall, very happy with making the change.

[iacas]

  On 3/20/2025 at 3:28 PM, DeadMan said:

Quick update on this - I've had the stack radar for about 2 weeks now. It's way better than what I was using. The speeds are much more consistent, and the experience is much better and faster with the connectivity to the stack radar. I've had maybe 5 misreads over the course of 4 sessions. I also do like having the ability to see ball speed when you hit actual balls as well. Overall, very happy with making the change.

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Have you done the wedge stuff?

[Clemsonfan]

  On 3/20/2025 at 3:28 PM, DeadMan said:

Quick update on this - I've had the stack radar for about 2 weeks now. It's way better than what I was using. The speeds are much more consistent, and the experience is much better and faster with the connectivity to the stack radar. I've had maybe 5 misreads over the course of 4 sessions. I also do like having the ability to see ball speed when you hit actual balls as well. Overall, very happy with making the change.

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I agree. I used the PRGR and it was terrible when it came to misreads. I only have 5 sessions but it is much better and worth the extra expense.

Edited Thursday at 06:22 PM by Clemsonfan
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