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Congratulations.   It sounds like a ton of work but I'm sure it is rewarding.

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From the land of perpetual cloudiness.   I'm Denny

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I hope to see more posts from you, @DaveP043, related to your Rules experiences.

I was looking at a thread on a golf site. Reading some of the comments and discussion on a Provisional/Lost/Unplayable situation was like listening to fingernails on a chalk board. So many comments such as, "You MUST search for your ball" and "If you find your ball in an unplayable spot, just go play your provisional." It is always amazing to me how little we golfers know of the Rules of Golf.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 3:04 PM, bkuehn1952 said:

I hope to see more posts from you, @DaveP043, related to your Rules experiences.

I was looking at a thread on a golf site. Reading some of the comments and discussion on a Provisional/Lost/Unplayable situation was like listening to fingernails on a chalk board. So many comments such as, "You MUST search for your ball" and "If you find your ball in an unplayable spot, just go play your provisional." It is always amazing to me how little we golfers know of the Rules of Golf.

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This reminds me of the old game Telephone, where someone tells a story to someone, that person tells it to the next person, and after a few re-tellings you see how badly mangled the story gets.  Most golfers learn the rules in a similar fashion, learning from someone who really doesn't know the rules themselves.  This isn't really helped by the fact that many golf professionals aren't all that knowledgeable about the rules.  In addition, most golfers have been told that the Rules are SO complicated and SO difficult to read that they never try to read for themselves.

Now, having vented a bit, is there anything in particular you'd like to read?  

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Explain this:

 

Send 3 and 4 pence we're going to a dance.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 9:31 PM, Rulesman said:

 

Send 3 and 4 pence we're going to a dance.

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Perfect!  I think I'll leave this alone and let the rest of the group figure it out.

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Guess..  

It used to cost girls 3 pence and guys 4 pence to get into a dance?

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  On 1/29/2025 at 3:04 PM, bkuehn1952 said:

I hope to see more posts from you, @DaveP043, related to your Rules experiences.

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Something just popped into my head, based on your mention of the folks who "know the rules" but are generally wrong.  Another comment I read was "the Rules ALWAYS said.....".  When I come across those I often go to 

www.ruleshistory.com

to see if the rules ever said that.  You can find every (almost?) version of the rules since the first set in 1744.  Its fun to return to the conversation and say "You're a little bit right, the rules said that at one time, but that changed in 1984.  You've been playing under the wrong rule for 40 years!"  

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