scotty camerons hype or the real deal

[YogiTKE]

Are scotty cameron's the only putter 100% made in the USA? (I am going to exclude the headcovers and grips, shafts, etc.) I love watching him machine them on CNC lathes and Bridgeport presses (the machines my dad has in his company). I think that it would be good to compare SC's to porsche. If you buy a base 911 its one of the best bang for your buck sport cars in terms of real world driving and reliability, and it looks cool. The looks will never get old, they never change much that the old ones aren't still good looking. Kinda like the newport putters. They are well made, will last forever (anyone that wants to refute this look at JD power reliability leaders for cars and porsche just passed lexus for this year). However if you start customizing them or going for limited edition models and trims, they nail you. If you get the anniversary boxter they were charging $8000 for basically a sticker and a paint job. Same thing with SC. Best thing to do is either buy it, want it, or move on. No need for hating.

We aren't hating here. We are responding to the question if they are hype or the real deal. Comparing them to a Prosche is perfect. If I had the money to afford a Porsche, I still wouldn't buy that car. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is a fraction of the cost, employs insane technology, and can run right beside any super car on a track. The point is, some people buy things just to say they have one. I did not say ALL. I said SOME.

[iacas]

So people buy Scotty putters because of their grip?

Way to miss the point: your claims were unsubstantiated.

Why aren't more PGA pros using Scotty putters if they perform at a high quality? Cost is no object to them for their equipment.

It can violate their equipment contracts, yes, and Scotty Cameron putters are regularly the leading putters on the PGA Tour. Many of the better players are allowed to use whatever putter they like, and a good portion of them use a Scotty Cameron. It won this year's Masters. It won the last PGA Tour event. It's in Tiger's bag.

Are scotty cameron's the only putter 100% made in the USA? (I am going to exclude the headcovers and grips, shafts, etc.)

The headcovers are all still made, I believe, by AM&E;, and they're a U.S. company as well. I think almost everything in a Scotty putter is Made in America (MIA?

). Anyway, as I said before, it's either worth it to you or not, but it's a personal decision. I don't care if someone else wants to putt with something from KMart, and quite frankly, they shouldn't care so much how I choose to spend my money.

[DJYoshi]

i've always thought:
if you can't putt with an okay putter then a brand name putter won't make you a better putter.
I switched from a 2-ball white hot to my s.c. newport 2 & I'm not looking back or regretting the $250 I dropped for the putter.

The weight is awesome, the profile is tight & it just looks and feels sexy...
plus anything that promotes confidence in this game...i'd say is well worth the investment. I had my 1st round in the 70's the weekend I switched to the S.C. last year. i'm not saying that it was the putter that did it all.. BUT

confidence to sink 4 15+ foot putts came from the putter and I did make them... if I missed those 4, I would've shot an 82...

[MrSandman]

I switched from a 2-ball white hot to my s.c. newport 2 & I'm not looking back or regretting the $250 I dropped for the putter....

Was your white hot 2 ball face balanced? Does your Newport have some toe hang? How do you find the difference between them?

As far as whether Scotty is hype or real deal, of course it is hype (and I've played one for 10+ years). Back in the 90's putters went for $60, with the occassional one going for $100. But then Titleist started selling Cameron putters at the $300 mark. Nowadays, many putters are $200+, so they don't seem too extreme. The thing with the Scotty is not that it will turn you from a poor putter to a good putter, but that you have a work of art in your hand, a putter that you appreciate and savor. It is more aesthetic than performance. I love my Scotty, and don't plan on ever switching. If I had just a regular Ping, I might have switched to a 2 ball when those came out, then maybe a Rife, etc.... I probably would have spent more money on a variety of less expensive putters over the past decade. think of a Scotty like buying a Breitling or a Rolex. It is one putter that could last you a life time, so find one you like and put the money into it if that is your thing. If you like to switch putters around a lot, then you really don't need to invest in a Scotty and could probably use a less expensive one.

[T.J.K.]

It's a mixture of everything.

Scotty Cameron makes some of the best putters in the world. There are many other putter makers that are just as good. I wouldn't say better though. Slighter, C&L;, TP Mills all make putters that are just as high a quality as Scotty Camerons.

You don't see them as much though because the edge that Cameron has is his marketing. He is a marketing genius! That's what it boils down too.

His putters are great but his marketing is better.

And for some, yes, it is the name, but so what. If a 36 handicap wants a $300 dollar SC, then so be it. It's his money. A retail SC is not that expensive. If someone wants to collect $1500 limited/tour editions. So be it. Who does it hurt? If they want to game it, so what.

I routinely pay $600-1000 dollars for vintage baseball cards. Does that make me crazy? I don't think so. I like expensive clothes.....so what. It's not anyone elses money but mine.

To me people just have such strong emotions on Cameron, whether positive or negative, and it seems like something that just isn't that important.

You also have to keep in mind that $1500 bucks may not be all that much money to a lot of people out there.

[MrSandman]

I do love the Anser though!!!!

Great quote.

[MrSandman]

[QUOTE=Lefty731PM;134122]

I notice that sergio was using one on the weekend. Do you think the S E R G I O G A R C I A stamped on the back will enhance its value?

Absolutely. Putter used by Sergio on tour will increase its value off the bat. Like a game worn baseball jersey or something.

[Lefty731PM]

[QUOTE=MrSandman;134343]

Absolutely. Putter used by Sergio on tour will increase its value off the bat. Like a game worn baseball jersey or something.

This was a joke -

Of course it would, and I would happily pay $4000 for it because someone else would give me 5k eventually for it. The point was related to a previous comment about whether SC would want certain people using his stuff. With Garcia putting badly and trying anything, we thought that this proved that SC doesn't care who used his putter, because if anything, it proves that it's the person holding the putter that makes the difference, and a Cameron putter sure ain't helping Sergio at the moment. (Maybe a bit. I did see him hole an 8 footer the other day)

[Wisco-Kid]

I got a great deal on mine and thought "what the heck". Well I love it to death! I will never use another putter and would pay full price for another one if anything ever happened to mine.

A $300 putter that inspires confidence and performs is worth every penny IMO.

[MrSandman]

Sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm, Lefty.

I recently sent my Cameron back to the shop. It rusted out, I needed to get it refinished. I am going with the platinum finish on it, the oil can was too much hastle. But a debate was whether or not to get my initials. My fiance convinced me not to, as once you put your initials on it, the resale value goes way down (not that I'm planning on selling it, and I'm already changing the finish). But when I saw Sergio with his name on it, I mentioned to her that he had his name. She joked back, "that means it is probably worth more. You're not Sergio Garcia."

[jhauser77]

1. Scotty Putters instill confidence
2. Due to craftmanship you never need to worry about the quality of the putter when you 3 putt.
3. Resell is great.
4. I bet Lefty and Shot Calla wind up kissing and making up at the end of this thread.

[SuaSponteMn]

Love these threads, they always get so heated

Scotty makes a fantastic putter, I have three of them and would never sell a single one of them. The new Studio Select looks incredible as well, I'd even consider buying one, but I'd probably never game it (yes I'm a collector, but I collect putters, not Camerons).

There are people that make better putters, Slighter, Byron, and C&L; come to mind, they just don't make as many and they typically charge more than it costs to buy an OTR Scotty. That being said, I paid $600.00 for my Slighter, it would cost me about $2500.00 to get an 009 made for me and IMO that's a better comparison and a pretty big savings.

What it comes down to is that the only thing Scotty does better than making putters, is MARKETING

[LastPrankster]

There are less SC's than there are Pings. There are less Mercedes than there are Hondas.

The value is in the name, not the quantity produced.

[DJYoshi]

Was your white hot 2 ball face balanced? Does your Newport have some toe hang? How do you find the difference between them?

fitted. balanced after it was shortened since I grip down on the putter like i'm bunting with a baseball bat. i just feel a lot more comfortable with the cameron than I ever did with the white hot. it's been more than just having a piece of art in my hands...even though having a sexy putter does compliment your game when the putts are rolling in....but you definitely know it's your stroke and not the putter or anything about it when you miss... b/c the putter's pure perfection... but since i've switched, i'm getting more putts within 10' in. and outside of 10, they're falling within the 2 foot circle that I set myself....sure it's got a lot to do with the fact that playing 3 - 4 days a week can make you a better golfer...but I just love the feeling of a s.c. in my hands...like it's weighted perfectly for me.

think of a Scotty like buying a Breitling or a Rolex. It is one putter that could last you a life time, so find one you like and put the money into it if that is your thing. If you like to switch putters around a lot, then you really don't need to invest in a Scotty and could probably use a less expensive one.

AMEN! . you can get the same performance or similar with something of the cheaper putter.... I have a fine watch collection ranging from $500 - $50,000. I switch watches a lot... but I'll never switch out my s.c.... and this is when someone offered to pay me $400 for the putter on the course b/c he liked it...I said dude, you can get the same one at golf smith or something and then get fitted for it....

[MrSandman]

My father used my Cameron one summer when I wasn't playing (I took a few years off from 2000 through 2005). When I bought a new set of sticks, he offered to buy me a new putter because he liked mine. I said deal on the driver and wedge, but not on the putter. I bought him a new Cameron for father's day, and told him to send mine back to the shop to get it refinished. My putter was not for sale.

To be a good putter, you have to love putting. Having a putter you appreciate helps in that regard. And like many people keep saying, when I miss a putt I blame myself, not the putter.

[ShotCaLLa]

The value is in the name, not the quantity produced.

So value is not contingent upon supply?

Aren't you an economist or something? Once again, it does come down to the marketing strategy of SC, and like you said, the name. But, if there were as many SC's out there as there are PING's, then EVERYONE would/could have one, because they would be cheaper But then we would have nothing to talk about!!!

[LastPrankster]

So value is not contingent upon supply?

Not exactly. Price is contingent on supply, but that is not why a SC cost more than an Anser. If there will equal Ansers produced to SC produced, the SC would still cost more, so quantity is not the factor of value in this situation, it is the name.

[MrKadash]

Hype or real deal?

Although the craftsmanship is second to none, I have never found one to perform any better than some of the putters I have owned. I'm not saying the SC's aren't as good as advertised, just that my preference was for other putters over the years. There has to be some hype to sell, but the fact that they sell so well and the resale value is out of this world they fall into the real deal category also.