"The LAWs of the Golf Swing" by Adams, Suttie, and Tomasi

[iacas]

Discuss "The LAWs of the Golf Swing" by Adams, Suttie, and Tomasi here.

[titaniummd]

I don't how much press this book received when it was released but I found it to be more compelling, given that many people have different body types. Tiger's swing based upon his body type cannot properly be adapted to say, Craig Stadler's, or vice versa.

I came across this book when I realize the difficulty of trying to mimick the swing of Vijay Singh, for example.

http://golfwithtjtomasi.com/laws_test/laws_test_1.php

This website gives you an idea of what type of swing fits your body type. This philosophy seems to make more sense to me. Has anyone else tried this method of golf?

[JackieTreehorn]

Im curious what the double burst is for shaft loading...they seem to have fit my swing properly with their quiz (or at least the one I am aiming for!).

[longfornothing]

Yeah, I got the double burst shaft load too. I guess you have to plunk down $25 for the book to find out. Pretty interesting stuff. I'm going to pick it up and see if it can help me.

[worst_shot_ever]

Me too. Actually, supposedly this is me:

The Leverage Player
Body Type: Mesomorph
Distinguishing Feature: Level hip turn
Dominant Dimension: Depth
Dominant power Source: Mechanical Advantage
Swing motion: Rotational
Overall look: whirling
Finish Postition: Side Bow (Side C)
Shaft Load Profile: Two Bursts

Beats me what that's supposed to do to fix my slice!

[longfornothing]

What is a "dominant dimension"?

[Sandman Logan]

I have the book and absolutely agree with their notions about how a swing fits different body types.

I got it a year ago, read it, thought it was OK, then picked it back up this past month and really studied it instead of passive reading it. Being 6'3" with long arms and a lanky body I shouldn't be swinging like Hogan or Stadler. When I really apply what they say I should do (slightly closed back foot, higher arc, definite hip shift to allow arms to bring down club) I really do strike the ball better.

A lil background - I have been a fairly constant slicer/banana baller. This swing does not let me do that. I played 9 last Sunday and had 3 drives that were arrow straight with decent distance, and a 5 wood shot from the light rough that I wanted to frame and bring home with me. I owe it all to the LAWS of the golf swing - laws that fit my body type.

Now, as long as I stay down on the ball and stop lifting up my head (had 3 topped balls on Sunday) I can start driving that score down into the 80's.

[longfornothing]

Since you have the book, can you offer some insight on what the "Two Bursts" thing means and also the "Dominant Dimension"?

[mruseless]

Apparently I'm a "Leverage Player" but I have no idea what that means.

[titaniummd]

Since you have the book, can you offer some insight on what the "Two Bursts" thing means and also the "Dominant Dimension"?

I will look it up for you. I just have not had the chance to re-read it.

Each particular swing has certain characteristics in the delivery of power.

[longfornothing]

Cool. Much appreaciated.

Fear the Gamecock!

[titaniummd]

3 load profiles are described from the top of the swing.
Double peak: Loading peak early in downswing and second load a fraction later -> Double burst
Single peak: Early load with decline until impact->Single burst
Ramp up: Steady pressure on shaft that builds until release of load prior to impact ->No burst

Dominant dimension is one of the 3 spatial dimensions that optimizes the swing. Based upon your body type, you fit into the 3 swing types (Arc, Width or Leverage).

Based upon the backswing and the width of your chest, you fit into one of the categories.

[longfornothing]

Ok, I'm going to go get the book the next time I go into a slump. I just started playing well after a 2 month horror story. I ain't changing anything until I start sucking again.

I'm intrigued about the double burst shaft load theory. Both my PGA Pro dude and my clubfitter guy I've seen this year, say that I load the shaft late, similar to the "Single Burst" load profile. Yet this little test thingy says I'm a Double burster.

Not that it matters much.

[titaniummd]

Good luck. It is written better than the 2 plane/1plane book since it at least has some continuity covering the entire technique in one section.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...1272344&sr;=8-2

[TX Brian]

quoted from the book.....

"The three load profiles are measured in time from the top of the swing. The double-peak profile shows the first loading peak occurring early in the downswing, with the second load coming a few tenths of a second later. It has two bursts — two places in the downswing where the bend in the shaft noticeably changes. In the singlepeak profile, load maximizes early, and then declines steadily until impact; it has one burst. The last profile, known as the "ramp-up" swing, shows steadily building pressure on the shaft until the load is released just before impact. It has no bursts."

dominant dimension....I think means, width player has a very wide and flat swing....(kinda obvious huh)

leverage player has a deep swing....not sure what this one means, maybe a more complete rotation?

the arc player is height since the swing goes more upright

[chilly]

I read about this book last night while reading Paper Tiger. I'm interested in checking it out, my last lesson made me realize that I may not be suited for a "normal" swing, I couldn't physically get into the position that my instructor was working on. He's showing me Nick Watney on the V1, I'm 6'0" and 250lbs (could lose 10lbs but I'm not "obese"), there are some flexibility issues that will be tough for me to overcome. I didn't want to use this as a cop out, but if there are legitimate swing differences that should occur for different bodies, then why fight them? Things like a full shoulder turn are obviously a chore, but I find that trying to clear my hips and drop the arms down in the slot is pretty tough.

[TX Brian]

I read the book last year...Very interesting book....made lots of sense to me. the arc player is in the height dimension....swings up high...lift the arms up the most and drop the most (they use Davis Love as the best example), the width player (example Craig Stadler) swings strait back....more lateral shift, the leverage player (per the book is the more common swing of tour players) is called "deep" meaning swinging around the body, connected and rotational....more "behind your own back" than the other swings.

It seems most people who do the body type survey come up leverage...I did as well. Its the "average build" swing. Arc is for tall and thin and/or the most flexible. Width is for either short and thick, or the least flexible.

from reading the book, i realized that I use a width swing with irons and hybrids and a leverage swing for driver and woods.

also per the book, most pro's are a hybrid with SOME characteristics of any two of the swings...just that leverage is the most common and/or strongest characteristic.

I have the most confusion connecting the 3 swings with the hitter and swinger definitions...seems intuitive (to me) that a width player would be a hitter, and an arc player a swinger....but I think the book says the width AND arc swing are hitting and the leverage swing is swinging. Their explanation is that the arc swing has a hit at impact, the bottom of the arc.

The book does an excellent job at breaking down timing and setup and applying it to the various swings...how each swing has differing requirements to make the "hands and hips" timing work correctly. It makes it easy to see how common advice like "lead with the hips" depending on how that is meant, can help one type of swing and trash another.

I have read 5 or 6 golf books, and this one broke things down better for me than any of them so far (including Hogan).....but that could just be my misconceptions of the golf swing. I don't know...sometimes i think I should try to understand something simpler like quantam physics

[Jon Robert]

I don't think a person can appreciate this unified swing method (as opposed to the unified  small muscle, large muscle, mixed muscle or the multiple swing method)  UNTIL they have traveled a long a difficult road.  It is like a glass of water. I goes unappreciated until you are nearly dead from dehydration.

The rediscovery and use of the LAW's Width swing principles for me is like wandering around in the wilderness  and then finding a compass. https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/pasdirtz/web/golf/GOLF_LAWs_Chart.html

I would not discount this method in any way. It may very well prove NOT to be the Rosetta stone in YOUR golf quest but it could very well be in others.

To understand what I said read the book

How to Learn Golf Harry Hurt III http://www.amazon.com/How-Learn-Golf-Harry-Hurt/dp/0743417267 It clarifies the various swing methods being taught (in a massively chaotic ununified way)