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I have a challenge for any golfer of any skill level. Next time you go out to the course play the women's tees.

Ok, I'm going to stop the macho talk. I am saying this because when I was prepping for tournaments every now me and a buddy would play one of our practice rounds from the ladies tees. The basic idea was to get used to the idea of scoring low on the course. Between the two of us, our low was 63 so don't think it is just a stroll in the park.

So next time you go play, try to convince your foursome to play the entire round from the reds. It can be really fun and if you are playing skins birdie is a must have not par. Enjoy and let me know how it goes.

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I also play from the reds when I play with my wife (once every two weeks or so). The course looks a lot different from the red tee. But it doesn't mean I score that much better.

And I agree, it is a lot harder than you think.

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My regular golf partner and I do it on occasion; it feels like a totally different course. Also when I'm invited to golf outings with a local senior league, they'll use them. But to be politically correct, they are now referred to as the Forward Tees.

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It might help you with your short game too. Instead of being 150 out and hitting an iron, you may find your self inside 100 and hitting a wedge.

Like the idea, not sure where I would try it. It would have to be an empty course,
maybe for a twilight on the back 9. To the casual observer, they may find it odd, if you care what others think.

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That does sound fun ... if my wife & I ever got out by ourselves I would be up for it. When we play we are usually paired up with other people though ... and I might get some frowns from the other people if I'm up at the reds

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I have done this a few times when playing by myself. I will not let myself hit driver on any hole and primarily only use hybrids/irons off tee (one time I did allow myself to use 3 wood off par 5 tees). I found it to be great practice in this way. On most holes it still left me hitting a longer iron into greens than I would normally hit. On one slow weekday at a course last year I played 2 balls - one from tips and one from women's tees. That was fun. I ended up scoring about the same from both tees using my rule about nothing but irons and hybrids off women's tees. There were a few holes where he difference was as much as 50+ yards, although on most the difference was 15 to 30 yards. My goal that day was to leave my tee shot from women's tees about the same distance into green as with my shot from tips.

I don't think I've ever played from women's tees (or Senior/Jr. tees) while using a driver, though.
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I really like that idea as mental prep for the next day trying to score better. Golf is still golf and a fudged shot still proves as a wasted stroke even though it's closer. If I were playing alone however, I don't think I'd get off the first tee on the reds lol. I can't have the golf course attendants I know giving me crap about it later on. I'll never hear the end of it haha.
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I'm scared that I'd fall in love with being able to hit wedges in for approach shots.


One funny way to approach it would be to alternate holes.....front tees on the even holes....tips on the odd holes.
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I can't have the golf course attendants I know giving me crap about it later on. I'll never hear the end of it haha.

If you think that is funny, try doing it during a Monday practice round for a mini-tour event. Some of the other guys on the course thought we were drunk. We actually had a player from GT at the time who had qualified (not going to name names) ask us to wear skirts for the first round on Thursday. Too bad he didn't make the cut.

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Crap,,, some times the Reds are my second shot!!!!!!
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ROFL,,,,,,JoelDuffer

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I would but I know too many employees/members at my home course. I'd never live it down, LOL.

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I did this once a couple years ago. I shot 78... it was a total blast.
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I play a course that is pretty much like playing at the forward tees on other courses since it is only 5,500 yards. I usually only have a wedge in after a tee shot on par 4's. Wouldn't try the forward tees on the longer courses since those are treats that come by rarely for me.

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if i did this I'd have to tee off with my pants around my ankles.. gotta play by the rules

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This will probably be a bad idea for me. The course I play has a lot of dog legs and water. My problem is that I hit my driver too far and it ends up in the rough or sometimes in the water even if I hit it straight. Like the other day there was this hole where it was 290 to the water and 400 to the green...it splashed in the water. On the the 17th hole, it's set up in an interesting way. The green is on the left and there is almost two fairways. There's one straight ahead for the white, blue, and black tees, and one on the left inline with the hole for the red tees. You can try to drive to the left but you have to make it over some nasty thick weeds and trees dividing the fairway. Instead I opted to drive it straight. This ball went over the fairway in front of me and hit the rough on the fly and was 3 ft from the tall grass. I drove the ball 285 yards uphill. I was shocked. So who knows, maybe I'll be reaching par 4s in 1 if I play from the reds.

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That's like asking a man to play a whole round without using his driver. What the **** are you thinking?

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