People who don't deserve tips...

[senorchipotle]

in the u.s., in case you haven't been, we've got a thing called tipping. waiters/waitresses work on a reduced pay scale to promote this. i don't mind tipping a waiter/waitress who enhances my dining experience, nor do i mind tipping a caddy who enhances my golfing experience.

who i do mind tipping however, is: the girl who makes my snow cone, the person who works the cash register at the fish place, masseurs/masseuses who already charge exorbitant amounts of money, bartenders of bars who charge 5 dollars(and more) for beers, the person who cuts my hair, etc...

i could go on and on about people who do not deserve tips. i mean really, how ridiculous does it get when the person who makes my coffee has a tip jar? why the hell should i give you extra money for doing your job?

[granitegolf]

I suppose you have never worked in the Service Industry? Have you traveled abroad much. That is one of the reasons things are so much more expensive is some countries. pay up front or pay for the tip!

[Randy4h]

I've only seen this once thankfully, and I hope it isn't a trend: I think it was at Rhodes Ranch golf course in Las Vegas (where else). I went to check in at the pro shop. There was a large tip jar on the counter in the pro shop. I guess they were expecting me to tip them for running my credit card through the machine. Needless to say, no tip from me. I'll give a buck to the guys working outside who clean my clubs at the end of the day, but not to the clerk who has provided no service whatever.

[Ben]

I've only seen this once thankfully, and I hope it isn't a trend: I think it was at Rhodes Ranch golf course in Las Vegas (where else). I went to check in at the pro shop. There was a large tip jar on the counter in the pro shop. I guess they were expecting me to tip them for running my credit card through the machine. Needless to say, no tip from me. I'll give a buck to the guys working outside who clean my clubs at the end of the day, but not to the clerk who has provided no service whatever.

I'm a pretty generous tipper. I don't particularly think there is a definitive list on who or who not to tip. I'm not big on the tip jar though. That's a sure way to deter me from giving a tip.

[senorchipotle]

I suppose you have never worked in the Service Industry? Have you traveled abroad much. That is one of the reasons things are so much more expensive is some countries. pay up front or pay for the tip!

yes, i have worked in the service industry as a waiter after college. it sucked, so i quit. but like i said, they get lower wages so they work for tips, and better waiters earn better tips. on the other hand, coffee blenders blend the same coffee a hundred times a day, if somebody else blended my coffee, it won't make my experience any better. likewise, if someone else rang up my food at the fish joint, it won't add to my carry out dining experience. even the cashiers at pizza hut have the audacity to set out a tip jar!

to answer your question, i have lived abroad. and dinner prices are barely higher relatively than they are here. not even close to 20%, which is what i'm expected to tip. of course things are going to be more expensive if you're paying in euros, pounds, etc., but where i used to eat lunch round the corner from my apt. in france, it was 7 euro. whereas here, i eat lunch and it costs 7 bucks, i'm supposed to give them a 10 and tell them to keep the change. what? i'll take the euro system all day. fyi, argentina is a lot cheaper and you still don't have to tip, my favorite place in the world.

[jamo]

I tip the person who cuts me hair. Then again the cut is like $17 and I give them a $20 and just say keep the rest.

I don't, however, put money in the tip jar. Those things are absolutely money machines. People just put all of their coins in there. I save all my coins in a jar at home, and I save like $10 a month.

[nike_golf]

My high school sweetheart was a waitress in a nice restaurant in our hometown. She would work a random night, and then usually come see me right after work.

She would have upwards of eighty bucks cash on her from tips during one five hour shift! I remember giving her so much crap at the time. Telling her it's free money and she doesn't deserve it, etc etc. Actually, what it was, was jealousy from me more than anything.

My high school job at that time was working at a local grocery store getting 6.50 an hour. I carried groceries out to peoples vehicles, bagged them, etc etc. I can count on one hand the times I ever got tipped. And I did that for about three years! And it's not like I wasn't friendly, or didn't do a good job either, because I did.

Now, because my gf at the time just happened to be a good looking young waitress she deserved all those tips and I didn't?

I tell ya, it's a girl's/woman's world.

PS - If you do buy groceries from a store that has a take out service, think about tipping that poor high school kid. I know he'll appreciate it.

[jlund]

Cheap ass much?

[Fatphil]

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who i do mind tipping however, is: the girl who makes my snow cone, the person who works the cash register at the fish place, masseurs/masseuses who already charge exorbitant amounts of money, bartenders of bars who charge 5 dollars(and more) for beers, the person who cuts my hair, etc...

damn señor...$5 beer, massage, snow cones....I want to hang with you! BTW... Happy ending deserves a very good tip?

[Shanks A Million]

damn señor...$5 beer, massage, snow cones....I want to hang with you! BTW... Happy ending deserves a very good tip?

Damn straight. Those are luxury expenses. I don't drink alcohol, and I don't smoke. There's $3,500 a year saved. I get my hair cut maybe 4 times a year, there's another $80 saved. Massage? Who the hell gets massages?

But the fact of the matter is, many of these people are making next to abject poverty. The guy who serves you your coffee is making $8 an hour, and working harder cleaning machines and taking out trash than most corporate flunkies who sit around in meetings making $50 an hour. Some people argue that those corporate flunkies went to college, but not everyone can afford college. The United States has a very high Gini Coefficient, 44th in the world in income equality. The only countries with more income inequality are in Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia. China is the only major nation with more income inequality. The problem is, we're stupid enough to believe that people will give tips out of the kindness of their hearts. In most western countries, it's quite simply understood that people will not, so the costs are automatically assumed. Waitresses are not exactly living large. When was the last time you saw a waitress on a yacht, or driving an Italian sports car? I know I don't see any waitresses living in mansions, nor the people who make snow cones, or serve coffee. These people do what they do because they weren't born into a family that could afford to send them to college, or they don't have the intelligence to make it in the world of thought work. They are not inferior. So, in the end, it may be better to understand that not everyone is going to be an office worker with a six figure income. If you don't like the tip jar, ignore it. The world does need service personnel, and it's absolutely asinine to assume that these people should have to struggle to make ends meet just because of their station. That kind of thinking is best left to spoiled trust fund bastards who have never lifted a finger in their lives.

[senorchipotle]

Who the hell gets massages?

umm... i do. my back takes a beating between work and golf. better i take care of it now so it works when i'm old.

But the fact of the matter is, many of these people are making next to abject poverty. The guy who serves you your coffee is making $8 an hour, and working harder cleaning machines and taking out trash than most corporate flunkies who sit around in meetings making $50 an hour.

ok, so the world isn't fair. what's your point?

Some people argue that those corporate flunkies went to college, but not everyone can afford college. The United States has a very high Gini Coefficient, 44th in the world in income equality. The only countries with more income inequality are in Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia. China is the only major nation with more income inequality.

yeah, actually everyone can afford college if they want it bad enough. my gf's parents didn't help her one iota. she went to college, worked, and took out student loans and is now paying them back. everyone has a near equal opportunity to succeed or fail in this country. of course there will always be racism, sexism, etc., but to think you're going to change that, good luck.

The problem is, we're stupid enough to believe that people will give tips out of the kindness of their hearts. In most western countries, it's quite simply understood that people will not, so the costs are automatically assumed.

no, the problem is restauranteurs pay their labor one third of what they should be paid.

Waitresses are not exactly living large. When was the last time you saw a waitress on a yacht, or driving an Italian sports car? I know I don't see any waitresses living in mansions, nor the people who make snow cones, or serve coffee. These people do what they do because they weren't born into a family that could afford to send them to college, or they don't have the intelligence to make it in the world of thought work. They are not inferior.

i never said they were inferior, nor did i imply they were. apparently you think everyone should be driving yachts and lamborghinis. well, not sure what fantasy world you're living in, but in the real world things are not always fair and equal. why do you seem to think everybody deserves something? i've never liked the word deserve, it presumes that we are entitled to something. we are not. when gov't tries to ''equalize'' things, everybody loses.

So, in the end, it may be better to understand that not everyone is going to be an office worker with a six figure income. If you don't like the tip jar, ignore it. The world does need service personnel, and it's absolutely asinine to assume that these people should have to struggle to make ends meet just because of their station. That kind of thinking is best left to spoiled trust fund bastards who have never lifted a finger in their lives.

i never said there shouldn't be service personnel. you're also making assumptions that service people are unintelligent and are not actively trying nor capable of changing their life situation.

[Bullitt5339]

I give tips whenever I feel that the service provided was better than what I paid for........

So, I would say that the tip jar at Starbucks has seen very little of my money, since it's hard to surpass what I expect for a $7 cup of coffee.....
When I had hair, I tipped my barber every time, because he always made sure my hair was exactly how I wanted it....

I have had this discussion with a co-worker about tips. She always tips waiters and waitresses no matter how the service was because she says it's expected. I'm not like that at all. If the service was crappy, I don't reward a crappy job. That would be like me not be productive at work and still getting my bonus. Doesn't happen. I do not judge service by the speed in which I get my food, since that's usually outside the waiter/waitresses control. I judge on friendliness and to be honest, my drink glass is the easiest measure of how well a server does their job. If my drink is never empty, that's a sign that the server is taking care of her tables. If I'm sitting for 10 minutes with an empty glass and can't find my waitress to refill it, I don't consider that good service, and don't leave a tip. I also tend to let the management know that my service was not as good as I expected.

[Fat Slice]

I say no to almost all tip jars. My exception is in a quid-pro-quo situation. Employers should pay their employees properly and not expect customers to randomly subsidize their income. Starbucks tipping? Not a chance.

Now, for an established service position, like a waitress (who payes taxes on ASSUMED tips), spa services, valet parking attendant, golf bag jockey, etc., you tip as appropriate.

If you stiff (ahem) your massage girl, well...bad form.

[murphmjm]

Tip jars are a sham, don't use them for something that does not deserve a tip. As for resturant tipping if the service was downright terrible i wont leave more than a dollar even if my meal is over $100. Why should i promote the awful attitude and service of the waiter and justify it with a tip? If you suck at your job you don't deserve a tip; i hate people who will leave a tip just because it seems like the thing to do even with god awful service.

With that being said if your a quality waiter/waitress etc and promote a great dining experience I don't have a problem leaving 20% or more and if I'm on my own eating at a restaurant I might bump it up to 30% just because one person normally wont order enough to get a decent tip. I don't mind it if the service is good but if its awful don't leave a large tip, you're just telling the waiter its ok to be shitty at their job. A dollar gets the message across quite nicely, some loose change is even better to send a message.

Waitresses are not exactly living large. When was the last time you saw a waitress on a yacht, or driving an Italian sports car? I know I don't see any waitresses living in mansions, nor the people who make snow cones, or serve coffee.

perhaps the only place this would apply is joe's stone crab in miami beach :)

[Randy4h]

Well said! It's a sign of the times when the word "entitlement" is even discussed?

[DavidFehertysBike]

I try to tip my barber, he does a good job. Ill leave a tip for a bartender if they actually fix me a drink, but not for strait shots or a beer. What i do find annyoing with tipping is when you go to a pizza joint or a chinese place for take out and they got that tip jar right in your face. I never put anything in it, but the register person tends to give you dirty looks if you dont. To hell with that crap, im not paying extra for take out, buddy.

[Leftygolfer]

Man that must be fun, work in an office and make six figures. I work in an office, have a college degree, and make ends meet. I made just as much take home pay as a valet working for tips in college. You really think the servers in fine dining do not make a good living. People don't do it for a living because they are hard up, they do it because they make a good living and it fits there life style. What other job can you work from 4 to 11, go gt wasted till 5 and wake up at 2 and make 50 a year and pay about half of the taxes they should.

I tip well in general. I don't care for tip jars and don't give them money generally but it doesn't bother me either.

And shanks, what the H#ll is that figure?? We live in the greatest country in the world with the most opportunity to make better life for yourself. Anyone can go to college in this country. We have grants, loans, scholarships, GI Bills. If you work hard enough anyone can succeed.

[Chief Broom]

Tipping isn't just about rewarding good service tipping is also about insuring you get the kind of service you desire in the future. When you go to a crowded bar the wait and bar staff are going to be busy and overwhelmed. When you get the staff's attention be sure to tip them big right off the bat. This way they'll remember you and you won't have to worry about trying to get their attention. They now know you are a person who tips big and they will be looking for you to make sure you've got everything you need. This may seem cheesy but money motivates people and if you want to be treated well you need to take care of the people who will be taking care of you. This works for all the various service people you employ. Your barber will make room in their schedule for you when you need it as opposed to them telling you when they can see you. The staff at your favorite restaurant knows and remembers you because they know you are a good tipper and they will go out of their way to make sure you get a table fast and that your food and order is done right and brought to you in a timely fashion, even when they are slamed on a busy night. When you go on vacation or to a resort tipping well insures that the staff will look after you by steering you away from touristy crap and toward stuff that locals know is better. Sometimes the pay off for tipping can be subtle but it does work and it's an easy way for "regular" people to get VIP treatment.