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I am getting frustrated.

I am 2-3° upright, and every modern fairway wood has a flat sole, and a flat lie. All I can hope to do is hit them on the toe, or thin them. No one will bend a fairway wood, and they never quite feel right. I can feel the toe hit the ground, and I don't like it. At this point, it may be mental.

I'm desperate to find a solution. I have heard some hybrids can be bent upright. I also have an Adams Insight XTD A3 15° Hybrid Fairway wood, which is OK, but still a little toe down. The ball marks on the face have a slight diagonal pitch (low on the toe, high on the center), just like my irons and wedges before they were fit. When I changed to fitted irons and wedges, the marks appeared on the center of the face, no longer at a diagonal, and the dirt lines made after each swing were parallel to the grooves.

What can I do? What do people who are upright do for their woods? I'm already weak with fairway woods, so not having them fitted is really killing me. Which hybrids can be bent, and which ones can't?

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I've never been fitted for fairway woods, but there are touring pros who have insanely upright lie angles. I read somewhere that Stewart Cink has irons that are like 4° upright or something. So there's got to be a way to get fairway woods.

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I am a 3* upright and have no problem hitting a fairway wood...sometimes it's not the tool but the....

In my Titleist 2014 9.5" Staff bag:

Cobra Bio+ 9* Matrix White Tie X  - Taylormade SLDR 15* ATTAS 80X - Titleist 910H 19* ATTAS 100X - Taylormade '13 TP MC 4-PW PX 6.5 - Vokey TVD M 50* DG TI X100 - Vokey SM4 55 / Vokey SM5 60* DG TI S400 - Piretti Potenza II 365g


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You can bend fairway woods that have a longer hosel, I know one particular manufacturer that makes woods for this exact purpose, bendable 8 degrees.

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Genberally, there should be no problem, even if your Irons are more upright. Mine 2.25* more upright, and my woods are fine. I've never heard of having woods fitted for anything but shaft flex.

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Titleist 913 D2 9.5* w/ UST Mamiya ATTAS 3 80 w/ Harrison Shotmaker & Billy Bobs afternarket Hosel Adaptor (get this if you don't have it for your 913)
Wilson Staff Ci-11 4-GW (4I is out of the bag for a hybrid, PW and up were replaced by Edel Wedges)
TaylorMade RBZ 5 & 3 Fairway Woods

Cobra Baffler T-Rail 3 & 4 Hybrids

Edel Forged 48, 52, 56, 60, and 64* wedges (different wedges for different courses)

Seemore Si-4 Black Nickel Putter


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I am a 3* upright and have no problem hitting a fairway wood...sometimes it's not the tool but the....

Good for you.

You can bend fairway woods that have a longer hosel, I know one particular manufacturer that makes woods for this exact purpose, bendable 8 degrees.

I looked it up, and it's KZG and Sonartec who both offer bendable hosels. Sounds interesting. I'm seeing more and more customization these days, and now it seems several manufacturers are making bendable hybrids.

I'll have to check them out. I've always had problems with fairway woods. I usually try to carry a 2 iron, and I also had a 1 iron, but it broke. I can hit fairway woods ok most days, but on bad days, it just feels hopeless. Also, it's really bad from uneven lies.

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I am getting frustrated.

I looked online at some of the mfgrs, and couldn't find a solution for you. Several companies all had 57* lie angle and 43" shaft for 3W | 58* and 42.4" for 4W - spooky!

You might look at Nike VR fairway woods. Had 58* and 43" 3W, and the sole looked a bit more rounded than some. Titleist has lower lie angle, BUT has multirelief sole , which means sole angles upward going back from bottom of clubface, lessening chance of clubhead drag on ground. Have no idea if this would help you or not. Years ago, Ping may have had variable lie angles in its second-wave I3 drivers and FW woods. But, I can't remember for sure. You might e-mail a couple of the manufacturers, tell them your situation, and see what they say. I have gotten excellent, thorough responses from the big guys on a couple of different questions I sent them.

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I looked online at some of the mfgrs, and couldn't find a solution for you. Several companies all had 57* lie angle and 43" shaft for 3W | 58* and 42.4" for 4W - spooky!

Yes, this is another situation where the big golf companies feel that one size fits all. It's made worse because I play shorter woods than most people. My driver is 44", and my FWs are cut down an inch. This makes them play even flatter. I hate how modern clubs are being made so damn long. For most people, adding 1" to their woods gives them about 2-4 yards more distance, but about 10 yards more side to side. That's crazy. If Tiger Woods can barely keep his 44.5" driver in play, what hope do I have of keeping a 46.5" driver in play?


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For most people, adding 1" to their woods gives them about 2-4 yards more distance, but about 10 yards more side to side. ?

Out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers from?

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Out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers from?

Tom Wishon published the specs of different driver shaft lengths. Several others have replicated the tests. The 10 yards side to side is my own addition, it's at least true for me.


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Yes, this is another situation where the big golf companies feel that one size fits all. ...

Check out these guys. They have a custom club design company, and have a blog where golfers can recommend specs for the "next generation" of clubs. (Don't know if they will listen or not, but might be worth a look. Maybe a custom hosel angle for you?)

http://www.hirekogolf.com/ Check out H's Dynacraft ICT FW with adjustable lie angles in hosel:
Now with the interchangeable Prophet ICT 8-position adapter each hosel insertion provides differing lie angles ranging from 2º upright to 2º flat...

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  • Completed KBS Education Seminar (online, 2015)
  • GolfWorks Clubmaking AcademyFitting, Assembly & Repair School (2012)

Driver:  :touredge: EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  :callaway: Rogue 4W + 7W
Hybrid:  :callaway: Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  :callaway: Mavrik MAX 5i-PW
Wedges:  :callaway: MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter:image.png.b6c3447dddf0df25e482bf21abf775ae.pngInertial NM SL-583F, 34"  
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I don't agree that 1 inch of length adds 10 yards of left/right (at least not for everyone), but I definitely agree that manufacturers should make woods with adjustable lie angles. I wish my woods could be set about 1-1.5 degrees more upright.

As far as length goes, when I choke up on my r9 460 TP an inch, I lose about 10 yards, so I don't think 2-4 yards is right either, at least for everyone. And my driver is 46-ish inches and I know I'm more accurate with that than I am with some other shorter drivers I've played. It's more of an individual thing, and it's easier for people to cut off length if they can't control it than it is to add it if they want to hit it farther.

What's in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag:

Driver - Taylormade Superfast 2.0 TP 10.5
3 Wood - Taylormade Burner 15* REAX
Hybrid - Adams Idea Pro 18* GD YSQ-HL

Irons - Callaway X-18 4-PW

GW - Cleveland 588 51*

SW - Cleveland CG 12 56*

LW - Cleveland CG15 60*

Putter - Cameron Studio Style Newport 2

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Check out these guys. They have a custom club design company, and have a blog where golfers can recommend specs for the "next generation" of clubs. (Don't know if they will listen or not, but might be worth a look. Maybe a custom hosel angle for you?)

Thanks. I think those are the ones. I have a couple Dynacraft clubs, and I love them. I have two wedges that I use to hit tennis balls for my dogs, and a very, very nice Dynacraft milled putter. I'm very, very interested, and the price is right too.


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