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Trying to figure out if I should be putting my practice effort into my short game or long game.
From 100 yrds inwards I figure my average score is just over 3, maybe 3.2
ie For an average of 3 you need to be landing on the green and 2 putting, any 3 putts need to be canceled out with a 1 putt to maintain that average.
How do other people average and what would a pro score in this ?

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A pro is probably someplace around 2.5 strokes in from 100 yards. From 100 yards, i get it on the green and 2 putt or less most of the time.
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From 100 yrds inwards I figure my average score is just over 3, maybe 3.2

This is where I stand as well. I wish I was like Rickie Fowler since he averages 3ft from 100yards and in. I could make a lot more putts from 3ft than 12-14ft.

I usually take my medium bucket of balls to the chipping green and hit my whole bucket from anywhere around 50-65 yards. I pick up all of my balls from the green and go hit my irons and 10-12 driver swings. Then putt. Being able to "score" withing 100 yards is crucial. Especially when you decide to lay up on a par 5 instead of bringing trouble into play by going for it in 2

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Wow, you serious that a pro would average 3ft or less from the hole when shooting from inside of 100 yrds. Seems like the short game is where I need to put effort into then.

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Trying to figure out if I should be putting my practice effort into my short game or long game.

I would say that you for sure need to be practicing your short game. Long game is good to practice but short game is where the scoring will come in. A teacher once told me that you need to be getting up and down from 100 and in 75% of the time...or something like that. 3 feet is AMAZING....inside 10 is good

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This is where I stand as well. I wish I was like Rickie Fowler since he averages 3ft from 100yards and in. I could make a lot more putts from 3ft than 12-14ft.

Don't beat yourself up. Here are the PGA stats for approaches hit from under 100 yards (fairways approaches only):

http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02329 As you can see, Ricky Fowler doesn't average 3', he actually averages 13'-6". The best player is James Driscoll at 11'-1". #100 is Paul Casey at 17'-6". Nobody averages 2.5 strokes from these distances. The best is Bill Haas at 2.60, and almost all are under 3.00. Also bear in mind that this includes all approaches from under 100 yards, whether 20 yards or 99 yards. To see how the pros do around the 100 yard mark, go here: http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?074 These are all approaches from 100-125 yards. The best player is Scott Verplank at 15'-6". My take on these stats is that they never take more than 3, but don't take 2 as often as we all think. From what I see on TV, when they get it inside 6', they make it. 6-10' it's about 50/50. Beyond 10' they are far less successful. Since they average over 10' on their approaches, getting down in 2 is rarer than you think.

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So the devil is in the detail as they say. Mike Weir is #1 in putting average but he is also #2 in distance from pin for shots inside 100 yrds. So the approach shot is what makes or breaks your putting average

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So those stats are for anytime the player is not on the green but inside 100 yards, even if they are only 1 inch off the green and putting from the fringe? Or is it just the shot that they are attempting to reach the GIR from inside 100 yards? If that is the case would an eagle putt count?

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O.k. I have answered my own question judging from the # of attempts relative to the # of rounds it must be only when the player is going for a GIR. Now my only question is does it count eagle putts from the fringe or from the green?

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Don't beat yourself up. Here are the PGA stats for approaches hit from under 100 yards (fairways approaches only):

Great (and objective) analysis. I was going to post that if I need to get up-and-in at a 75% clip from inside 100 yards, I would probably be failing miserably, and would have absolutely no desire to try and correct that above other game flaws like getting up and in from the fringe or hitting more fairways and GIR.

Putting the ball within 10' from 100 yards at a 75% clip is not easy. Sometimes I hit what look like great approaches "right at" the pin, get up to the hole and I'm still looking at about 15' for birdie. Occasionally I'll put it within 10 feet, but that's like 20% of the time (20% of the time that I hit the GIR). Maybe if I constantly played easy courses with very flat greens it would be different, but I doubt it. Brandon

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O.k. I have answered my own question judging from the # of attempts relative to the # of rounds it must be only when the player is going for a GIR. Now my only question is does it count eagle putts from the fringe or from the green?

Text from the bottom of the website:

The average distance the ball comes to rest from the hole (in feet) when a player's approach is hit from a distance less than 100 yards. The approach shot distance must be determined by a laser, and it must originate from the fairway (or the tee box on a par 3). The approach must also end on or around the green or in the hole. Note: 'Around the green' indicates the ball is within 30 yards of the edge of the green. (2329)

So not only does it count putts from the fringe, but it counts shots that end up within 30 yards of the green.

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I was going to post that if I need to get up-and-in at a 75% clip from inside 100 yards, I would probably be failing miserably, and would have absolutely no desire to try and correct that above other game flaws like getting up and in from the fringe or hitting more fairways and GIR.

I think any tour pro would love to get up and down 75% from 100 yards and in. That would assure at least 3 birdies every round on the par 5s, and maybe a couple more on short par 4s. Doesn't really happen. However, it is vitally important to take no more than 3 strokes from inside 100 yards. That will eliminate any really big numbers. Just like eliminating your 3-putts is more important than concentrating on sinking 15 footers, because the reality is that you won't make very many. Unfortunately, sad but true for all of us.


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Down in three from 100 yards is fine with me. Getting the ball on the green so I can start putting is all I really try to do. I just hate to miss and have to hit two short shots in a row. Down in two is a bonus. It's the down in four that drives me nuts.

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So the devil is in the detail as they say. Mike Weir is #1 in putting average but he is also #2 in distance from pin for shots inside 100 yrds. So the approach shot is what makes or breaks your putting average

Well, that can both ways. In my case, my approach shots need to be much closer, but I am a fairly good putter. I make quite a few putts even when my approach shots aren't the good, so it makes my up and down average look good even though it needs much more improvement. But if you are looking just at distance to the pin, then yeah, the closer you are the more putts you will make.

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Don't beat yourself up. Here are the PGA stats for approaches hit from under 100 yards (fairways approaches only):

Looks like an abnormal quantity of players with Titlest balls on that list. Not for the top 5, but after that it seems abnormally Titlest-heavy. I'm guessing that either Titlest balls are that good on approach or good approach players prefer Titlest.

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