Stop generalizing about people based on their handicap.

[soloredd]

Well, if you would have put all that in your original post I would have had nothing to say!

[mdl]

Exactly. I thought the reason I couldn't shoot lower was equipment, or this, or that, but never seemed to realize it was my swing. I would look for those magical irons that hit the ball just right, and I constantly changed equipment, looking for the equipment that made my game.

This sort of implies the kind of generalization that the OP doesn't like. I personally have never met anyone in my handicap range (I've been down to 12 or so), who ever thought that what was really holding them back was equipment. It's just insulting to all of us >10 handicappers to suggest that all of us are self-deluding idiots who think we have pro swings but just need those perfectly fitted pro level irons, and we just need to realize that we suck and maybe can be as awesome as you if we practice really hard for 10 more years.

[Weezy]

This sort of implies the kind of generalization that the OP doesn't like. I personally have never met anyone in my handicap range (I've been down to 12 or so), who ever thought that what was really holding them back was equipment. It's just insulting to all of us >10 handicappers to suggest that all of us are self-deluding idiots who think we have pro swings but just need those perfectly fitted pro level irons, and we just need to realize that we suck and maybe can be as awesome as you if we practice really hard for 10 more years.

Low cappers know you are delusional because they were there at one point as well, flippin away thinking that they were hitting "pure" shots but just had low swing speed. A great ball striker compresses the ball and if you don't then you aren't a great ball striker. That is why distance is a barometer, because it lets people know the quality of your shot. However you can compress a ball from 30 yards out and if you compress the ball but are

really just a slow swinger then you would be very accurate and a relativel low capper. I know a high capper isn't hitting quality shots if he is short with his irons because, according to his handicap, he isn't accurate. I have never met anyone who hits quality shots but doesn't putt and chip/pitch well enough to break 80 let alone 90. Sorry but if you are a 2o capper who thinks they hit "quality" shots you are delusional. Same as the guys who think they can "hit" blades because they can consistently get them in the air and move em both ways without taking into consideration that they are actually hitting weak hooks and slices not quality soft draws and fades. If you have to start your ball off the green to play your fade/draw then you shouldn't be gaming blades.

[Bullitt5339]

I buy new golf equipment because I like new stuff, I know it won't make a lick of difference in my game. Well, except for going from player's cavity backs to the game improvement Mizunos. That was a great swap, because I was not good enough to hit the Cleveland CG Red Tours, and swapping to a more forgiving club made a lot of difference in the way I hit my irons.

Most high handicappers know they suck. I think the only misconception that I'm guilty of is always "knowing" that I'm so close to a break-through in my game, and it never comes. I expect huge improvements with the work I put into the game, but I get baby steps in return. I'm OK with that, because every time I fix something in my game, and practice and keep it fixed for a while, I feel like I'm making progress towards being a better player, even if my score doesn't immediately show a huge change.

[Bigacito]

Iacas, I just cut and pasted your post and sent it to my best golf friend. A real nugget, thanks!

[bplewis24]

I would be willing to bet that if we put up videos of our swings (we can start a thread even, like "swing vs handicap"), and I'll bet they would almost universally be fairly accurate to handicap...

Has anybody made this thread yet? I took some video of my swing today and I'm ready to post it.

Brandon

[sean_miller]

Has anybody made this thread yet? I took some video of my swing today and I'm ready to post it.

A swing thread? There's a shitload of those already.

[bplewis24]

A swing thread? There's a shitload of those already.

Not a swing thread, a compilation of swings vs handicaps thread. Nevertheless, I'm just going to post a "

my swing " thread for now. Brandon

[Shanks A Million]

Not a swing thread, a compilation of swings vs handicaps thread. Nevertheless, I'm just going to post a "

I'm on it, give me a few minutes.

[halcon]

I found this thread interesting, and I remember something I read that is related to this discussion: Homer Kelley (THE Homer Kelley) was a 12 handicapper !!!!

Even knowing this, when it comes to suggestions to improve my game, I certainly pay closer attention to those who have a better handicap than myself. It is safer to assume that they know better than me, although there are exceptions, of course.

In regards to high handicappers hitting monster drives... WHATEVER!!!!

[mdl]

Low cappers know you are delusional because they were there at one point as well, flippin away thinking that they were hitting "pure" shots but just had low swing speed. A great ball striker compresses the ball and if you don't then you aren't a great ball striker. That is why distance is a barometer, because it lets people know the quality of your shot. However you can compress a ball from 30 yards out and if you compress the ball but are

My post was apparently unclear. What you're responding to very negatively is exactly the opposite of what I was saying. The comment I was responding to snidely implied that all double digit handicappers think they have pro swings and hit it pure all the time, and think they just need sweet new clubs and a minor improvement to start breaking par. I was saying that I nor any other 80s, much less 90s, player I know thinks anything like that, and thus noting that the poster I was replying to was making the same kind of condescending or insulting generalization about the attitudes and knowledge of players not as good as him that the OP was complaining about.

Now you've written a response again claiming I have idiotic delusions about my skill and swing despite the evidence I see every time I play or visit the range, ignoring the fact that what I said was that I, nor anyone else I know who shoots 80s like I do, think any of the things you're claiming players worse than you think. This is exacltly the sort of weird, condescending, and insulting generalization low cappers (which I wouldn't even consider you one of at 10) casually make that really brings down the level of community feeling here in an unfortunate number of threads. And here you're even insulting my saying I think exactly what you tell me, in your wisdom, that I should think...

[Shanks A Million]

My post was apparently unclear. What you're responding to very negatively is exactly the opposite of what I was saying. The comment I was responding to snidely implied that all double digit handicappers think they have pro swings and hit it pure all the time, and think they just need sweet new clubs and a minor improvement to start breaking par. I was saying that I nor any other 80s, much less 90s, player I know thinks anything like that, and thus noting that the poster I was replying to was making the same kind of condescending or insulting generalization about the attitudes and knowledge of players not as good as him that the OP was complaining about.

I wasn't saying you do, or that all do, but a huge number of golfers play clubs way too advanced for themselves, and another huge bunch are constantly in search of the clubs that will make them hit the ball perfectly. Do you know how I know this? I

was one. Don't think that I haven't been there. How many 15 handicaps play blades? How many should? How many people on golf forums have new clubs nearly every week? It's crazy.

[Cornbread]

a huge number of golfers play clubs way too advanced for themselves, and another huge bunch are constantly in search of the clubs that will make them hit the ball perfectly. How many 15 handicaps play blades? How many should? How many people on golf forums have new clubs nearly every week? It's crazy.

I totally agree with you on this one. People are lead to believe that a club type is going to solve their problems. Or they are just not smart enought to figured that out on their own, and or, they just want to keep up with their friends and neighbors and at least look they know what they are doing.

[DavidFehertysBike]

The whole over-reaching on equipment thing seems to be a mid-hanidcap phenomena.. I rarely see low digit handicaps or high handicaps (18+) playing blade irons and open faced drivers. There was a guy i played with in state mid-am qualifying that was using Ping g10's.....

[Slammin' Sam]

All right, I confess. I'm delusional. I have this weird thought that because I carry a bag of clubs and hit a little white ball around a golf course I'm a golfer. My score for the last two rounds I played say otherwise, but I continue with my delusion. Somebody come arrest me for impersonating a golfer!

[Bullitt5339]

How many people on golf forums have new clubs nearly every week? It's crazy.

I'm guilty of that one, for sure, but it's because I like new shiny things, not because I think they'll make me play better. Wedges and Drivers mostly, there's just nothing like a brand new wedge.

[sean_miller]

This thread has taken an interesting turn. The OP may in fact be on to something. I've read more condescending posts on the last page of this thread than in 30 pages of ____insert random driving distance thread____.

[mdl]

I wasn't saying you do, or that all do, but a huge number of golfers play clubs way too advanced for themselves, and another huge bunch are constantly in search of the clubs that will make them hit the ball perfectly. Do you know how I know this? I

So falsely humble anecdotes about yourself allow insulting generalizations about everyone with a worse handicap than your current one?

And why the scorn for someone who wants to play clubs a bit above their pay grade? Maybe they just like new shiny things and think the blades or muscle backs look way better than the GI clubs. Or maybe he wants to accept worse scores for now cause he thinks the feedback from the blades will help him get better in the long run. Why the derision? Why the assumption that he doesn't know they're a bit above his pay grade and he's accepting the costs? Just makes you seem small minded and brings nasty energy to the thread.