Draw ball flight - fat vs flush

[nevets88]

Please correct me if I'm wrong. If you hit a draw, lets say a 5 yard draw and you hit it a tad fat, but you lose only a little distance, the draw is gentle, meaning the turn to the left takes longer.

If you hit a draw more flush, the turn to the left (for righties) is more pronounced, turns quicker?

[saevel25]

Umm, that should be right. Because if you hit it fat, your energy is taken in the ground first, so less energy into the ball means less spin. Thats why clubbing up and hitting it lighter produces less spin. but its more on backspin than sidespin.

[uttexas]

good question. I'd say the arcs from the both the flush and slightly fat shot would be parallel at all tangents (if the face angle and swing plane are identical). Both balls will land in line with each other, obviously with the flush shot further ahead in the line. The flush shot will travel higher and further due to higher initial velocity and more backspin (creating lift)

[sean_miller]

good question. I'd say the arcs from the both the flush and slightly fat shot would be parallel at all tangents (if the face angle and swing plane are identical). Both balls will land in line with each other, obviously with the flush shot further ahead in the line. The flush shot will travel higher and further due to higher initial velocity and more backspin (creating lift)

The ball that has cleaner contact with the clubface will have more sidespin than the one with dirt and grass in between. It also spends more time in the air.

[nevets88]

So I think I'm getting agreement?

If I hit a draw really flush, it starts out dead straight or right with no bend and then at peak height, at the last minute, turns hard left.

If not so flush, fat, then the ball flies a little lower, more like a boring flight, but with less distance, the ball starts turning left much earlier in the trajectory and turns slowly left, like a jumbo jet.

[iacas]

So I think I'm getting agreement?

I'm not sure what the point of this is. My draws, Dave's draws, they start to draw pretty early and then almost die out late. Which makes sense, because spin decreases over time (as does air speed of the ball).

Can't you tell whether you hit the ball solidly by how the ball feels off the clubface and not by the ballflight?