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or you could spend $50 on a lesson and figure out how to fix your swing........

Yep 200-290 is a very big difference.

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Yep 200-290 is a very big difference.

your all over the place

you claim 200-290, then ur sig says 270 ........ my guess is a 15º "driver" isnt going to do anything beneficial for you
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your all over the place

I was thinking about this. I get much more consistent distance from my 3-wood than my driver. Maybe that's what he's looking for - not breaking the 300 barrier, but smoothing out the highs and lows.

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Im not the OP wtf?

All I was doing was agreeing with you. If you have a 90yd deviation with any club thats a problem. Barring a major mishit that is.
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I should also edit my sig, for a while I was smacking it out 270 but I hit a period where I couldnt find anything but the woods. I swing with a lot less power now and keep the ball in play alot more but its usually around 240-250 now. That was a change I welcomed.
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120mph SS?
and a -5 degree attack angle.

you must get a load of backspin.

I'd be going the other route if I were you. Decreasing the loft instead of increasing it.

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LOL I'm sure it was a mistake on his part.

OP, take a video face on and another down the line of our driver swing. Just curious as to how someone can hit it 290 with that much of a negative attack angle. Do you know what your spin rate is? I would imagine your drives into the wind climb quite a bit and is why you have such a discrepancy in yardages.

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Please can we not get sucked into the yardage discussion yet again? The OP has pretty neatly defined his conditions -- he flogs it really hard but without (no offence) much finesse. Under those circumstances, more loft is not an unreasonable prescription if he's hitting bullets.

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Please can we not get sucked into the yardage discussion yet again? The OP has pretty neatly defined his conditions -- he flogs it really hard but without (no offence) much finesse. Under those circumstances, more loft is not an unreasonable prescription if he's hitting bullets.

It's not a yardage discussion, its more of a spin discussion. With a -5 angle of attack even with a higher lofted driver you will be producing a lot of spin. Just because you fix the launch angle, it isn't going to fix the spin issue.

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It's not a yardage discussion, its more of a spin discussion. With a -5 angle of attack even with a higher lofted driver you will be producing a lot of spin. Just because you fix the launch angle, it isn't going to fix the spin issue.

Sorry, that wasn't aimed at you. But from what he says, it seems unlikely that excess backspin is his problem if he's hitting an 11.5* driver at minus 5* and delofting it even further with "the biggest forward press you will ever see".

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or you could spend $50 on a lesson and figure out how to fix your swing........

200 would be a low line drive...290 would be a shot that actually has some fair trajectory, no tailwind the last round i played 14 drives resulted in a duck hook on the short end and a 260 and 30 in roll in 50 degree no wind wet fairways...I dont have the time to take lessons...if i devote time to the game I would rather just go play and shoot my 90 to 96 and have fun. I have driven greens on the fly that were visible from the tee on numerous occasions... number 4 moccasin run, pa....number 11 spring ford, in royersford, pa. number 3 rising sun, MD and number 4 and number 12. only 12 had a dogleg. I have hit balls over 340 lasered, google earthed...etc. THEY are not an average they are an example of the potential only.
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I was thinking about this. I get much more consistent distance from my 3-wood than my driver. Maybe that's what he's looking for - not breaking the 300 barrier, but smoothing out the highs and lows.

yea thats it. but the highs would still be high...just the lows will not be worm burners "as much"

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when i have hit a ball that carries good(260+), the trajectory is still the lowest in my group and there is ample roll if it hits fairway. I play with 20 yr golf veterans that usually drive 240 to 270. The swing has produced a slice 1 out of 10 maybe, but more hooks with hard spin left(4 out of 10). When i hit one long usually no side spin and yes sometimes i see the ball float out at the end a little,,,,but mostly the ball takes off like a SAM and just goes (3 out of 10). The other two out of 10 are worm burners that go out 100 yards and hit rough, once i hit across a 110 yard pond without going over 5 feet in the air. I think the extra 3.5 degrees will possibly make more backspin but add to carry (on average) just trying to limit the shorter shots a bit.
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For whatever it is worth I would work on fixing the swing not the equipment. I used to have a big forward press but was never a consistent driver, in fact I was lousy, using that technique. When I hit it it was impressive but I was all over the place with most drives. When you forward press too much the tendency is to open the club face as your hands go forward, then you will have to close the club face as you take it back to get it squared up or you'll hit lots of slices. But in my case I was closing it going back and leaving the club face closed so most of my misses (and there was a lot) were left. Neither left or right is a good drive and a good drive requires great timing with a big forward press. So over the last few months I have worked on keeping my hands behind or even with the ball at address with the driver and keeping the club face square during the back swing. It is just finally coming around and yesterday I hit 10 of 14 fairways and have averaged 7 of 14 over the last month. So go with the swing fix,not the equipment mod. I'm not against equipment mods but they won't fix inconsistency due poor swing mechanics (been there, done that, doesn't work).

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got the club today. for kicks i went to golfsmith and made some swings with the R flex shaft... the results were acceptable in my eyes. Swing speed were 115ish. The carry's were 270 up to maybe 280. The shaft is 2 inches shorter than I usually play and R flex,,,,

I have no idea what will happen when they swap the R with the X flex and the x flex is an inch longer at least. The launch angles were 12 to 14 with the 15 degree head. I couldnt get a spin number, wasnt paying attention.
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good lord, a 15 degree driver? i didn't even know they made such things. i had a 10.5 degree driver awhile back and i was launching them so high that i'd barely carry 225 yards. dropped back to a 9 degree and now carry is about 260 (rolls out usually to 280-290). i've been passively looking into 8 degree drivers, but haven't found one yet that i'm totally comfortable with. i just seriously cannot imagine what kind of shots i'd hit with a 15 degree driver.
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good lord, a 15 degree driver? i didn't even know they made such things. i had a 10.5 degree driver awhile back and i was launching them so high that i'd barely carry 225 yards. dropped back to a 9 degree and now carry is about 260 (rolls out usually to 280-290). i've been passively looking into 8 degree drivers, but haven't found one yet that i'm totally comfortable with. i just seriously cannot imagine what kind of shots i'd hit with a 15 degree driver.

Just be sure to yell "fore" before your drive takes out the guy in the blimp.

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