Changing Clubs When Chipping?

[jamo]

I'm sorry but stating that you would chip with one club and one club alone is... Well, I am not sure how to say this other than "stupid"?

Why is that? I simply find it easier to have consistent loft and bounce levels to deal with, and to not introduce two more variables. I never said it was the right way or that everyone has to do it that way, it's just the way that I find easier.

I can open the clubface, move the ball forward and back in my stance, grip down on the...well...grip, and I can make dozens of different swings. I just think it's easier.

[normdamarine]

Why is that? I simply find it easier to have consistent loft and bounce levels to deal with, and to not introduce two more variables. I never said it was the right way or that everyone has to do it that way, it's just the way that I find easier.

Please read my post before this one...

[ERdiesel]

For every instructor or playing professional who recommends the 1-club for all shots approach, there are many more who caution against it. Just sayin'.

Yes that goes without saying but I fail to see how that's relevant. I was responding to the fact that a previous poster called using a single club for the short game was stupid. My point to him was that he must think a respected short game instructor must therefore be stupid. As for your reply I dont see the point. I never recommended that using multiple clubs was "bad". There are many ways to get the ball in the hole and to single out a specific methodology or technique as being stupid is well stupid in of itself.

If you use the same motion/length of a chip and just change club it changes the amount of carry/roll. But to each his own, good luck...

And if you just shorten or lengthen the same motion with one club it also changes carry/roll. But yes to each their own. :)

[sean_miller]

Yes that goes without saying but I fail to see how that's relevant. I was responding to the fact that a previous poster called using a single club for the short game was stupid. My point to him was that he must think a respected short game instructor must therefore be stupid. As for your reply I dont see the point. I never recommended that using multiple clubs was "bad". There are many ways to get the ball in the hole and to single out a specific methodology or technique as being stupid is well stupid in of itself.

If you really need me to spell out my point (that Utley is in the minority - nothing more or less to be gleaned from my post), then I'll do it, but you're not stupid so I'll leave it at that.

[jamo]

Please read my post before this one...

Yeah I must have opened the page before you posted it.

[minger]

[QUOTE=normdamarine;559188]I really do not want to offend anyone for using the "stupid" word so I will take that back.


Too late already offended..but not really. I think for someone as yourself being a +0.6 you have good control over the club. But the original statement was for the average golfer who is the guy that maybe gets out 2 to 4 times a month. To those guys developing a go to club is quite possibly one of the most important clubs to have in the bag. My club is an 8i, I know I can trust that club no matter what the circumstance. For the average golfer it might very well be that green side go to club that just always feels right. We should just think of it as what are some options you have and what works best for yourself, is clearly the best.

[normdamarine]

[QUOTE=minger;559316]

I really do not want to offend anyone for using the "stupid" word so I will take that back.

I guess my point was to use your imagination on the golf course... That is all, when you limit your choices to one particular thing then most people will stunt their growth. But I agree with having a "go to club", there are shots I hit that are my go to shot... But I do not know why, around the green I never limit myself to just one club. Even when I ride in a cart, if I am off the green I will bring usually 2 clubs with me other than my putter... Just food for thought...

[BARACUDA]

I use one club for every chip/pitch. Name a chip/pitch, and I hit it with a LW.

I bet if you expand your shot making ability with multiple clubs you get rid of a few strokes per round

Not a fan of "always" and "never," particularly when you can use one club to hit "different" kinds of shots.

You can definately hit "different" kinds of shots with one club. Although, you will be much more consistent taking the easier route with less lofted clubs rather than using a lob wedge or sand wedge. If your a scratch player and thats your preference and it works for you then stick with it, but if your not then you should always take the easier more consistent route.

[QUOTE=normdamarine;559329]

I agree. And the post about you being a + HDC and you can 'control' your club better.........well in my opinion, one reason your a +HDC is because you have a good short game.....and probably because you dont use a lob wedge for every shot

You can definately hit "different" kinds of shots with one club. Although, you will be much more consistent taking the easier route with less lofted clubs rather than using a lob wedge or sand wedge. If your a scratch player and thats your preference and it works for you then stick with it, but if your not then you should always take the easier more consistent route.

The more you learn to hit other shots with other clubs, the better you will become around the greens therefore making it easier to narrow it down to only a couple irons that you like the most, if thats what you prefer. I started out only using one club for years and never really improved much around the greens. When I began to explore I improved a great amnt and now I could go to one club and use it the same as multiple clubs if desired, but its just easier to use multiple.

[iacas]

You can definately hit "different" kinds of shots with one club. Although, you will be much more consistent taking the easier route with less lofted clubs rather than using a lob wedge or sand wedge. If your a scratch player and thats your preference and it works for you then stick with it, but if your not then you should always take the easier more consistent route.

I "definately" do not see a good future for you if you continue to behave the way "your" currently behaving.

Guess what - some of the game's greats advocate using one club. Others advocate using different clubs. This is not an always/never situation. P.S. Stop changing your handicap. We don't really care for liars. You weren't a + when you signed up, and you're changing it to + likely because you think it gives your opinions more merit.

[minger]

I "definately" do not see a good future for you if you continue to behave the way "your" currently behaving.

Well said!! Could not agree more, in fact I have been trying to say the same thing all through out this post. People keep saying that this is the right way, no this is the right way. From what most of the greatest teachers have said golf is all about feel. They never say what is the best way to create feel they simply gives us drills, and ways that have worked for some of their students in the past. Don't forget the waggle, now there's a topic for a new thread.

[BARACUDA]

I "definately" do not see a good future for you if you continue to behave the way "your" currently behaving.

One of the biggest reasons people dont lower their score around the greens is because they believe that 'the greats' or the pros only use one club so they should use one club. Well, thats untrue most use many clubs around the greens. Although there are many who only use one as well and the reason for that is because of their skill level.

My opinions dont need 'more merit' based on my HDC, they are my opinions I am only trying to help based on experience and what I have learned from these 'greats' and pros you all speak of Doesnt everyone want to learn and improve? In my opinion you learn from everyone and what they believe to be the right way and wrong way because there is no right or wrong. I am only stating an easier more simple way to play around the greens....its simply more logical to get the ball on the green rolling as quick as possible in certain situations. Iacas, I dont understand why you have to be so negative towards me when you dont even know me.

[ERdiesel]

Doesnt everyone want to learn and improve? In my opinion you learn from everyone and what they believe to be the right way and wrong way because there is no right or wrong. I am only stating an easier more simple way to play around the greens....its simply more logical to get the ball on the green rolling as quick as possible in certain situations.

It seems like you are still missing the point though you acknowledge the point in your most recent post. The point being there is no right or wrong, yet the tone of your posts suggest you believe multiple clubs is the "right" way and therefore anything else, i.e. single club is the "wrong" way. I refer to your comment about "NEVER" use a single club to highlight your attitude throughout your posts that I believe people have been taking exception to. We all are looking to simplify our golf games to some extent and to some, that simplicity is found in working on being the master of one (i.e. single club) around the greens rather than master of none by virtue of having 14 clubs to choose from with all the variables associated with ball position and length of swing. I'm no mathematician, but that's a whole lot of combinations that you will need to practice with in order to "master". To me and to others, we don't see simplicity in that picture, we see complexity. As for your last statement regarding getting a ball on the green rolling as quickly as possible, I believe others have answered that by saying we can adjust ball position among other adjustments to accomplish that with the single club.

[Shindig]

One of the biggest reasons people dont lower their score around the greens is because they believe that 'the greats' or the pros only use one club so they should use one club. Well, thats untrue most use many clubs around the greens. Although there are many who only use one as well and the reason for that is because of their skill level.

What's the source for most? What qualifies as most? If Stan Utley once hit a chip with a 7-iron, but every other with his 58°, does this qualify him as a multi-club chipper?

My opinions dont need 'more merit' based on my HDC, they are my opinions

When you start to assert numbers or statistics in your opinions,

those need backup.

[normdamarine]

P.S. Stop changing your handicap. We don't really care for liars. You weren't a + when you signed up, and you're changing it to + likely because you think it gives your opinions more merit.

I really hope you are not speaking to me when you are stating this because if you are, then we really need to have a private discussion! Even if you are not, are you saying a person can not sign up saying their handicap is one thing and then over time update it to the current one? Is that not the point of a handicap, this it reflects your most current index? If not then I need to update mine when I was a +2.9...

On another note, saying someone is a liar is a pretty bold statement! You sound a lot like Sara Brown on the Big Break! Is that you Sara?

[sean_miller]

I really hope you are not speaking to me when you are stating this because if you are, then we really need to have a private discussion! Even if you are not, are you saying a person can not sign up saying their handicap is one thing and then over time update it to the current one? Is that not the point of a handicap, this it reflects your most current index? If not then I need to update mine when I was a +2.9...

He was talking to BARACUDA.

[normdamarine]

He was talking to BARACUDA.

Baracuda is a 12 handicap...

[jamo]

Baracuda is a 12 handicap...

...Who signed up just days ago as a 12 handicapper, then changed it to a + something yesterday.

[normdamarine]

...Who signed up just days ago as a 12 handicapper, then changed it to a + something yesterday.

I am sorry I do not track the people who sing up and change things... I was just looking at my index and was the only one who is a + and thought he was referencing me...