Drake

[mcfc_nick]

Absolute Legend - that is all

[Yanks Fan]

As in the rapper? Drake is weak dude, at least listen to real hip hop.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by mcfc_nick

Absolute Legend - that is all

Originally Posted by Yanks Fan

As in the rapper? Drake is weak dude, at least listen to real hip hop.

Yanks Fan knows what he's talking about. If you're listening to rap past 1995 you are probably listening to garbage. (with exception of course, but a small percentage)

[jamo]

He's decent, but his album(s) isn't/aren't very deep. Maybe 5 good songs. Check out the Travis Barker remix of Forever on YouTube though, that's pretty cool.

[Yanks Fan]

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Yanks Fan knows what he's talking about. If you're listening to rap past 1995 you are probably listening to garbage. (with exception of course, but a small percentage)

Exactly. The mainstream club mixes are just embarrassing. Biggie, Jay Z, Nas, Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, and many more actually rap to something relevant that means something. Like he said, 90% of the rappers today are awful. Some of them haven't even touched the streets they rap about. Rap has become this hypersexual genre and is giving all the real hip hop artists bad names.

[sean_miller]

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Originally Posted by Yanks Fan

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Yanks Fan knows what he's talking about. If you're listening to rap past 1995 you are probably listening to garbage. (with exception of course, but a small percentage)

Exactly. The mainstream club mixes are just embarrassing. Biggie, Jay Z, Nas, Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, and many more actually rap to something relevant that means something. Like he said, 90% of the rappers today are awful. Some of them haven't even touched the streets they rap about. Rap has become this hypersexual genre and is giving all the real hip hop artists bad names.

90% of all music on the radio is garbage. Iit's written and produced to sound the same on a top end hi fi and a $0.29 ear bud plugged into an ipod shuffle. 14 year olds don't seem to care.

If the nonsense I've seen on Much Music is any indication of who Drake is (not my demographic), then he's awful. That is all.

[pittpanther]

Originally Posted by jamo

He's decent, but his album(s) isn't/aren't very deep. Maybe 5 good songs. Check out the Travis Barker remix of Forever on YouTube though, that's pretty cool.

Find me a popular artist (any style) today that can release a good album top to bottom. Maybe Lil Wayne, who else?

I listened to the Travis Barker remix - I don't see what was so cool about it. Took a perfectly good track and ruined it with rock guitars. I guess if you grew up with rock music (nonstop distortion guitar) then maybe the remix was an "improvement."

[enis750]

legend??? far, far, far from it dude

you want to talk legend? some names have been mentioned above, but to list a few:

-Run DMC

-Snoop

-DRE

-Biggie

-2Pac

-Jay Z

-Eminem

some old and new, but these guys have stood the test of time and far from a one hit wonder

how is some nerdy Canadian "got his start on Degrassi, playin a kid in a wheelchair" a legend after only releasing his album THIS YEAR!!!????

yep i like hip hop too and even own his CD

as Jamo said, 5, maybe 6 decent songs..... time will tell if he is a LEGEND......sheesh.......

[Yanks Fan]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

90% of all music on the radio is garbage. Iit's written and produced to sound the same on a top end hi fi and a $0.29 ear bud plugged into an ipod shuffle. 14 year olds don't seem to care.

If the nonsense I've seen on Much Music is any indication of who Drake is (not my demographic), then he's awful. That is all.

I really couldn't agree more with you. I'm 21 and I'd say a very good majority of the music I listen to is from the 90's or before it. It's not only the current day hip hop that's bad. The music industry as a whole just isn't the same as what it was years ago.

[ohiolefty]

Drake is a legend?!?! From a City fan, this logic is quite predictable.

[jamo]

Originally Posted by pittpanther

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Originally Posted by jamo

He's decent, but his album(s) isn't/aren't very deep. Maybe 5 good songs. Check out the Travis Barker remix of Forever on YouTube though, that's pretty cool.

Find me a popular artist (any style) today that can release a good album top to bottom. Maybe Lil Wayne, who else?

I listened to the Travis Barker remix - I don't see what was so cool about it. Took a perfectly good track and ruined it with rock guitars. I guess if you grew up with rock music (nonstop distortion guitar) then maybe the remix was an "improvement."

I think that the fact that artists are set for life if they release 3 singles off every album (which is helped by iTunes, as great an application as it is) sort of lessens the incentive to make "deep" albums. To be honest, there are very few current rappers who release albums that I would listen all the way through. Jay-Z, may be an exception. Kanye is another (and check out his G.O.O.D. Friday releases, they're free from his website). I'm not much of a Lil Wayne fan, so I can't say that I find his albums particularly impressive. I won't lie and say that I don't occasionally like a top 40 rap/pop/hip-hop song, and if it's catchy, who the hell cares, it's my music and I'll listen to what I want, but I'll admit that it's really killing good rap.

I think the whole music industry is like this too, not just rap. For Christmas I am giving someone a playlist of Coldplay's best songs, and it's tough. They've released 4 albums and it's hard to find 15 songs that I enjoy listening all the way through.

As for the Travis Barker remix, I also like rock, and I really love rock/rap remixes, so that's one of my favorites.

Getting back to Drake, I just counted 6 of his songs that I like, that is I would enjoy listening to them all they way through. And that's from So Far Gone and Thank Me Later.

[M2R]

Originally Posted by pittpanther

Find me a popular artist (any style) today that can release a good album top to bottom. Maybe Lil Wayne, who else?

Sheryl?  At the least she seems to be a talented and prolific song writer.  And it doesn't seem to be basically the same thing regurgitated again and again, a lot of her stuff seems to stand by itself.  I guess it hinges on what "good album top to bottom" means.  I figure if it doesn't make me want to turn it off it's "good" enough.

[clubhousehero]

Wu Tang...that is all.

[double_j]

Originally Posted by clubhousehero

Wu Tang...that is all.

I find Wu Tang to be overrated.  They always seemed more about their image than actual talent.

Dollar for dollar, I gotta go with Jay-Z as the greatest (who believes that Drake is the real deal, by the way).

[ohiolefty]

Originally Posted by double_j

I find Wu Tang to be overrated.  They always seemed more about their image than actual talent.

As an avid music collector, a musician myself, and a rational human - I am at a loss as to how Wu Tang were overly concerned with 'image'.

If they were image-concious, they sucked at it. Their image probably cost them a lot of mainstrem appeal...making uncompromising music that was unfriendly to most radio formats, as well as lacing your art with obscure references and stark realism (as opposed to the pro wrestling-ish fare of more mainstream successes like Tupac, Jay, West Coast 'gangsta rap', etc.) doesn't help you into the bedrooms of teenieboppers. Even Method Man, admittedly the most mainstream group member, was way left of center in the 1990's mainstream spectrum.

My advice to you would be to listen to the classic-era Wu albums ( Enter the Wu, Liquid Swords, Return to the 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx, Ironman etc.) and figure out what everyone was so crazy about.

[mcfc_nick]

woah, you's are taking me all wrong, when i say he's a legend its just my way of saying that i think he's awesome, im not saying that he will go down as one of the all time greats but for right now i think he's class

[jmanbooyaa]

Originally Posted by ohiolefty

Quote:

Originally Posted by double_j

I find Wu Tang to be overrated.  They always seemed more about their image than actual talent.

As an avid music collector, a musician myself, and a rational human - I am at a loss as to how Wu Tang were overly concerned with 'image'.

If they were image-concious, they sucked at it. Their image probably cost them a lot of mainstrem appeal...making uncompromising music that was unfriendly to most radio formats, as well as lacing your art with obscure references and stark realism (as opposed to the pro wrestling-ish fare of more mainstream successes like Tupac, Jay, West Coast 'gangsta rap', etc.) doesn't help you into the bedrooms of teenieboppers. Even Method Man, admittedly the most mainstream group member, was way left of center in the 1990's mainstream spectrum.

My advice to you would be to listen to the classic-era Wu albums (Enter the Wu, Liquid Swords, Return to the 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx, Ironman etc.) and figure out what everyone was so crazy about.

All solid albums, at least 3 of them were solo efforts of GZA and the RZA I believe. Those were very aggressive talents very raw and unpredictable. The raw beats and lyrics were anything but mainstream. In fact I would say when they did try or at the very least leaned toward mainstream(2 albums in the mid 2000's I think) they were watered down and forgetable

[deronsizemore]

Originally Posted by pittpanther

Find me a popular artist (any style) today that can release a good album top to bottom. Maybe Lil Wayne, who else?

If you like the style of music, Kid Rock has been putting out some good stuff. His last two albums are pretty good from top to bottom.