Question about creating lag

[turp19]

Ok, so when I first started learning about lag my main feeling/thought was to keep my left wrist hinged (I'm a lefty) through impact, which I could do very well with my driver and fairway woods but not at all with the irons and wedges.  Since then I received a Tour striker for my birthday and read up on the PBS and the idea of the PP3. So now I pay no attention to my left wrist and only to the PP3 pressure and hit the tour striker great along with all my clubs (that is when I take it slow and keep my tempo). So my question is when creating lag should I work/focus on the wrist hinge or is just keep focusing on enough PP3 pressure to create the proper lag or both (I'd prefer to have as few swing thoughts as possible)? On a side note since working with the tour striker with focus on PP3 I have been pretty consistant with divot after ball.

Thanks for your thoughts, Kirk

[Easy]

Whatever "feel" works for you best, stick to it.

For me, what works is holding that cupped left wrist from the top of the backswing all the way to impact. Driving the butt of the club to the ball. There's no need to release as the weight of the club does it itself.

If you're a lefty you should focus on the right wrist hinge. Not the left.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Easy

For me, what works is holding that cupped left wrist from the top of the backswing all the way to impact. Driving the butt of the club to the ball. There's no need to release as the weight of the club does it itself.

If you're a lefty you should focus on the right wrist hinge. Not the left.

Can you clarify "cupped" for people, because a cupped wrist is definitely not something you want at all at impact - you want a flat or, worst case, slightly bowed left wrist, at least the way most people define "cupped."

[The_Pharaoh]

As a general rule it is always better to just work on one thing at a time. My advice? Stick to the PBS and maintaining the pressure on point 3. For me, it seems more a more natural motion than trying to create angles with your wrists at impact.

I only received my PBS today and have only hit a few balls on the range, however I have a few questions/comments.

95% of the time, the PBS doesn't move position. Great! The other 5% it moves slightly to the left. Impact is great overall, however I'm losing a lot of distance this way as it feels as if I'm not generating any clubhead speed. I used to just let the club go along for the ride and swing, and I generated a lot speed that way. Now it feels as if I'm hanging on for too long and not releasing the clubhead. I must be doing something wrong.

How do you know when you are creating the right amount of lag? From when to when does one have to apply the pressure on the shaft with the trigger finger?

[Easy]

Originally Posted by iacas

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Originally Posted by Easy

For me, what works is holding that cupped left wrist from the top of the backswing all the way to impact. Driving the butt of the club to the ball. There's no need to release as the weight of the club does it itself.

If you're a lefty you should focus on the right wrist hinge. Not the left.

Can you clarify "cupped" for people, because a cupped wrist is definitely not something you want at all at impact - you want a flat or, worst case, slightly bowed left wrist, at least the way most people define "cupped."

I shouldn't of used "cupped" but what I mean is from the top of the backswing my wrist hinge is hopefully at 90 degrees. From there I simply move my hands down (push the hips forward too), I make no conscious effort of unhinging my wrists as the weight of the club does that for me.

[The_Pharaoh]

Another great way to create lag without even thinking about it, is to forget about the ball entirely and simply drive the club into the ground at the point directly below your left shoulder. For me, this allows me to fully extend my arms and totally control the low point of my swing. I realised I was getting into the nasty habit of getting too fixated on the ball, releasing the club too quickly and coming up and out of the shot too soon. This simple change of focus has improved my ball striking no end.

[saevel25]

I am not sure driving the club into the ground thought is good. one thing someone might do is throw the clubhead at the ball, casting.

Lag is created and destroyed with tension, utilize a waggle and constant grip pressure through out the swing and lag should occur.

[gspjeb]

lag....IMO....should simply be allowed to happen....for me, I concentrate on maintaing the pp3 throughout the swing but I do cock my left wrist at the same time...happens naturally.  I have no conscious uncocking of the left wrist at all at impact, I just concentrate on pp3 and let my core unwind my shoulders with soft wrists...the rest just happens.  I think most folks have problems when they try and manufacture positions in the swing instead of just letting it happen.

[The_Pharaoh]

99% of golfers do not control the low point of their swing and therefore hit the ball fat or thin as their arms buckle through impact. They are obsessed with trying to scoop the ball up into the air with their hands rather than allowing the club face to do its job.

I've been teaching golf for quite a number of years now and not one student of mine has overdone it when I've asked them to drive the club into the ground below their leading shoulder. The majority of golfers do not realise just how much downward force is required to hit the ball properly.

I do not teach lag, I agree with most people on here that it is something that happens if all the other pieces of the swing are correct. However, a light bulb went off in my head after reading the S&T; book. The number one fundamental of golf is knowing where the low point of your swing is and that is after impact on the target side of the ball. If you start fiddling with a student's grip, posture and the other so called fundamentals you only send them away even more frustrated than when they arrived.

Originally Posted by saevel25

I am not sure driving the club into the ground thought is good.

[canadianpro]

Another good "drill" for getting the player to understand and feel the lag is to have them "pull up gently" with the right hand (right-hander) as the club is descending...using an impact bag with this is good .the PBS is great too

[watty]

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

99% of golfers do not control the low point of their swing and therefore hit the ball fat or thin as their arms buckle through impact. They are obsessed with trying to scoop the ball up into the air with their hands rather than allowing the club face to do its job.

I've been teaching golf for quite a number of years now and not one student of mine has overdone it when I've asked them to drive the club into the ground below their leading shoulder. The majority of golfers do not realise just how much downward force is required to hit the ball properly.

I do not teach lag, I agree with most people on here that it is something that happens if all the other pieces of the swing are correct. However, a light bulb went off in my head after reading the S&T; book. The number one fundamental of golf is knowing where the low point of your swing is and that is after impact on the target side of the ball. If you start fiddling with a student's grip, posture and the other so called fundamentals you only send them away even more frustrated than when they arrived.

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Originally Posted by saevel25

I am not sure driving the club into the ground thought is good.

Bobby Clampett's book "The Impact Zone" is a great read, and the whole book is about making sure the low point of your swing is about 4 inches in front of the ball. Learning that took several strokes off my game.

[EverythingGolf]

If you have an impact bag try this drill it really works great to keep you from thinking to much because there is a lot of feel in golf and you will get to a point were you will stop hitting the bag and your muscle memory kicks in and you will do it with out even thinking. If you dont have the bag try the second drill.

I like this drill, just don't use your living room wall...lol

[The_Pharaoh]

I've heard good things about this book, must get myself a copy.

Bobby Clampett's book "The Impact Zone" is a great read, and the whole book is about making sure the low point of your swing is about 4 inches in front of the ball. Learning that took several strokes off my game.

[ohiolefty]

Just have 'em hit a tire with their 5 iron, already. Wussies.

[Iwanttobreak100]

Originally Posted by canadianpro

Another good "drill" for getting the player to understand and feel the lag is to have them "pull up gently" with the right hand (right-hander) as the club is descending...using an impact bag with this is good .the PBS is great too

Would you be able to explain this a little more, this sounds interesting.

Thanks in advance.