Met PGA Rules Quiz - A Tough One! Enjoy!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by BrushCaddy

am I the only one that is actually posting his answers????

Looks that way. You might be the only person except for FourPutt and myself to finish. ;-)

[JetFan1983]

My head literally hurt after reading just two questions. I think I'll patiently wait for the answer sheet to be posted

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

Great test and enjoyed it! Good brain work (and I admit I took a glance at the Rule Book just to make sure and I whole heartidly recommend this to everybody trying to solve these puzzles just in order to make it completely right).

It took me a while to understand #6 but got it finally. A bit out of the ordinary, I would say, but perhaps a possible case.

I keenly await answer AND arguments for #24 as IMO there is no correct answers at all: Player A did not finish the hole thus he cannot have any score for it. Same scheme as in #6.

Well, did some re-thinking and realized I had originally misinterpreted #6. So here's my row:

1 a) 2 d) 3 c) 4 c) 5 d) 6 b) 7 b) 8 a) 9 ) 10 a) 11 c) 12 c) 13 c) 14 a) 15 b) 16 b) 17 c) 18 b) 19 b) 20 d) 21 d) 22 c) 23 b) 24 c) 25 b)

P.S. I did use Decisions Book after all ....

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

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Originally Posted by Ignorant

Great test and enjoyed it! Good brain work (and I admit I took a glance at the Rule Book just to make sure and I whole heartidly recommend this to everybody trying to solve these puzzles just in order to make it completely right).

It took me a while to understand #6 but got it finally. A bit out of the ordinary, I would say, but perhaps a possible case.

I keenly await answer AND arguments for #24 as IMO there is no correct answers at all: Player A did not finish the hole thus he cannot have any score for it. Same scheme as in #6.

Well, did some re-thinking and realized I had originally misinterpreted #6. So here's my row:

1 a) 2 d) 3 c) 4 c) 5 d) 6 b) 7 b) 8 a) 9 ) 10 a) 11 c) 12 c) 13 c) 14 a) 15 b) 16 b) 17 c) 18 b) 19 b) 20 d) 21 d) 22 c) 23 b) 24 c) 25 b)

P.S. I did use Decisions Book after all ....

For #24, both players finished the hole.  Player A missed the first putt, tapped in, then threw the ball in the pond.  The only question is what rule he may have broken in the process.  I don't think that anyone could really do a proper job on this test without referencing the Rules of Golf and the Decisions.  Many of the situations are simply too complex to unravel without them.  Rules officials are not expected to know every decision by rote, but they are expected to know how to find an answer when needed.

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

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Originally Posted by Ignorant

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Originally Posted by Ignorant

Great test and enjoyed it! Good brain work (and I admit I took a glance at the Rule Book just to make sure and I whole heartidly recommend this to everybody trying to solve these puzzles just in order to make it completely right).

It took me a while to understand #6 but got it finally. A bit out of the ordinary, I would say, but perhaps a possible case.

I keenly await answer AND arguments for #24 as IMO there is no correct answers at all: Player A did not finish the hole thus he cannot have any score for it. Same scheme as in #6.

Well, did some re-thinking and realized I had originally misinterpreted #6. So here's my row:

1 a) 2 d) 3 c) 4 c) 5 d) 6 b) 7 b) 8 a) 9 ) 10 a) 11 c) 12 c) 13 c) 14 a) 15 b) 16 b) 17 c) 18 b) 19 b) 20 d) 21 d) 22 c) 23 b) 24 c) 25 b)

P.S. I did use Decisions Book after all ....

For #24, both players finished the hole.  Player A missed the first putt, tapped in, then threw the ball in the pond.  The only question is what rule he may have broken in the process.  I don't think that anyone could really do a proper job on this test without referencing the Rules of Golf and the Decisions.  Many of the situations are simply too complex to unravel without them.  Rules officials are not expected to know every decision by rote, but they are expected to know how to find an answer when needed.

Yup, realized the answer to #24 after having solved the problem in #6. Originally I misinterpreted #6 and taking same analogy to #24 led me astray. Clear to me now.

[Lefty-Golfer]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

My head literally hurt after reading just two questions. I think I'll patiently wait for the answer sheet to be posted

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[M2R]

Well +1 for painful, and just let me add perverse.  At the beginning I thought "hey this might be a good vehicle for learning the rules better" but the reality is at this point I'm thoroughly and deeply confused.  I'm glad fourputt said this is rather contrived because that makes me feel a little better about the whole thing.

Answers only:

1)a.  2)d.  3)a.  4)a.  5)d.  6)d.  7)b.  8)c.  9)a. 10)b. 11)c. 12)d. 13)c. 14)c. 15)b. 16)b. 17)c. 18)d. 19)d. 20)d. 21)a. 22)b. 23)b. 24)d. 25)b.

Similar to what Zeph did, answers with specifics:

1)a. 2)d. 3)a. 4)a. 5)d. 6)d. 7)b. 8)c. 9)a. 10)b. 11)c. 12)d. 13)c.

14)c. 15)b. 16)b. 17)c. 18)d. 19)d. 20)d. 21)a. 22)b. 23)b. 24)d. 25)b.

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1) a. The player incurs a penalty of one stroke for a lost ball, and the second ball played from the tee is in play.

28/14 Stray Ball Deemed Unplayable Played Under Stroke-and-Distance Procedure; Original Ball Then Found

Q. A player finds a stray ball, which he mistakenly thinks is his, in a bad lie. He deems it unplayable and decides to adopt the procedure in Rule 28a. After going back, he plays the stray ball under penalty of stroke and distance at the spot from which his original ball was played. He then finds his original ball in a playable position. What is the ruling?

A. The original ball is lost and the stray ball played under penalty of stroke and distance is in play (Definition of "Lost Ball" and Rule 27-1).

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2) d. All square

6-4/2.5 Status of Individual Who Transports Player's Clubs on Motorized Golf Cart or Trolley

Q. During a round, a player's clubs are transported on a motorized golf cart or trolley by a friend who performs no other functions of a caddie. Is the friend considered to be the player's caddie?

A. Yes. By driving the cart or pulling the trolley, the friend is deemed to be carrying the player's clubs — see Definition of "Caddie."

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3) a. No penalty

13-4/7 Touching Casual Water in Bunker with Club

Q. A player's ball lies in casual water in a bunker. The player elects to play his ball as it lies and touches the casual water with his club when addressing the ball. The player's club does not touch the sand in the bunker except in making the stroke. What is the ruling?

A. The player incurs no penalty as he did not touch the ground in the bunker with his club prior to making his stroke — see Rule 13-4b.

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4) a. Has proceeded correctly

20-2a/3 Ball Dropped in Improper Manner and in Wrong Place

Q. A player obtaining relief from ground under repair dropped a ball in a manner not conforming with Rule 20-2a and in a wrong place. What is the ruling?

A. If the player corrected the errors before playing his next stroke, there was no penalty — Rule 20-6.

20-6/2 Changing Relief Option After Ball Dropped in a Wrong Place

Q. A player deems his ball unplayable and elects to take relief under Rule 28c. He drops the ball in a wrong place and is advised of this fact. He then lifts his ball under Rule 20-6 and states that he wishes to proceed under Rule 28b. Is the player entitled to proceed under Rule 28b?

A. Yes. Decisions 20-2a/6 and 20-2c/5 suggest a different conclusion. However, in those cases Rules 20-2a and 20-2c are invoked and those Rules imply that a ball to be re-dropped must be re-dropped under the option originally invoked.

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5) d. He is disqualified (drop in bunker was in play meaning second drop was played from wrong spot but in this case the text is "significantly better lie" meaning DQ applies.)

26-1/2 Player Proceeding Under Water Hazard Rule Drops Ball in Another Hazard

Q. A player's ball lies in a water hazard. In applying Rule 26-1b, the player drops a ball in a bunker or another water hazard. Is this permissible?

A. Yes.

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6) d. A incurs a two-stroke penalty for playing a wrong ball and must correct his error before teeing off on the next hole. B has incurred a one-stroke penalty under R27 and an additional two-stroke penalty for a serious breach of playing from a wrong place and must correct the error before teeing off on the next hole.

15-2. Substituted Ball

A player may substitute a ball when proceeding under a Rule that permits the player to play, drop or place another ball in completing the play of a hole. The substituted ball becomes the ball in play.

Exception: If a player incurs a penalty for making a stroke from a wrong place, there is no additional penalty for substituting a ball when not permitted.

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7) b. Seven (only because the text says "having not gained a significant advantage", otherwise DQ)

26-1/3 Ball Played Under Water Hazard Rule; Original Ball Then Found Outside Hazard

Q. A player believed his original ball had come to rest in a water hazard. He searched for about a minute but did not find his ball. He therefore dropped another ball behind the hazard under Rule 26-1 and played it. He then found his original ball outside the hazard within five minutes of having begun to search for it. What is the ruling?

A. When the player dropped and played another ball behind the hazard, it became the ball in play and the original ball was lost.

If it was known or virtually certain that the original ball was in the water hazard, the player was entitled to invoke Rule 26-1. In the absence of knowledge or virtual certainty that the original ball was in the water hazard, the player was required to put another ball into play under Rule 27-1. In playing the ball dropped under Rule 26-1, the player played from a wrong place.

In match play, he incurred a penalty of loss of hole (Rule 20-7b).

In stroke play, he incurred the stroke-and-distance penalty prescribed by Rule 27-1 and an additional penalty of two strokes for a breach of that Rule (Rule 20-7c). If the breach was a serious one, he was subject to disqualification unless he corrected the error as provided in Rule 20-7c.

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8) c. Five

29/4 Dropping Ball in Foursome Competition

Q. Rule 20-2a provides that "the player himself" must drop a ball. Under the Definition of "Partner," it is stated that, in the case of threesomes and foursomes, the term "player" includes his partner where the context so admits. When a side in a foursome is required to drop a ball, may either member of the side drop it?

A. No. In view of the requirement of Rule 20-2a that the player himself must drop the ball, the member of the side whose turn it is to play next must drop the ball.

A ball to be dropped under the Rules must be dropped by the player himself. He must stand erect, hold the ball at shoulder height and arm's length and drop it. If a ball is dropped by any other person or in any other manner and the error is not corrected as provided in Rule 20-6, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke.

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9) a. There is no penalty.

19-2/10 Ball Stopped or Deflected by Rake Held by Player’s Caddie

Q. A player’s ball lies in a bunker. He plays, and his ball is accidentally stopped or deflected by a rake that is being held by his caddie. What is the ruling?

A. There is no penalty. Items such as rakes that are placed on the course for general use are not part of the player’s equipment and remain outside agencies at all times. (New)

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10) b. Three (one for lifting and two for replacing and playing from wrong spot?)

20-1/1 Ball Lifted from Putting Green in Mistaken Belief It Is Wrong Ball

Q. A player, mistakenly believing the ball he has played onto a putting green is a wrong ball, picks the ball up without marking its position. He then discovers that the ball is his ball in play. What is the ruling?

A. The player incurs a penalty stroke and he must replace his ball (Rule 20-1).

18-2a/13 Ball Lifted Without Authority and Cleaned

Q. A player's ball comes to rest on the apron of a green. Mistakenly believing that the ball is on the green, the player marks, lifts and cleans it. The player incurs a penalty stroke under Rule 18-2a for lifting the ball without authority under the Rules. Does the player incur an additional penalty stroke under Rule 21 for cleaning the ball?

A. No. Rule 21 states that a ball may be cleaned when lifted except when it has been lifted in accordance with Rule 5-3, 12-2 or 22.

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11) c. Two penalty strokes and must replay the stroke

19-2/4 Player's Ball Strikes Own Caddie Standing Out of Bounds and Comes to Rest Out of Bounds

Q. A player's ball accidentally strikes his caddie standing out of bounds and comes to rest out of bounds. What is the ruling?

A. The player incurs a penalty of one stroke (Rule 19-2) and, since the ball lies out of bounds, he must proceed under Rule 27-1, incurring another penalty stroke.

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12) d. A loses the hole. (I think this is a mistake, depends on why B let ball strike club.)

17-3/6 Marking Position of Hole with Club

Q. The flagstick has been removed. A wants the position of the hole marked but he does not want to waste time retrieving the flagstick. So A asks B to place the grip end of his putter in the hole. Is this permissible?

A. Yes, but a putter used to mark the position of the hole must be treated as a flagstick for the purposes of applying the Rules.

17-3/2 Opponent or Fellow-Competitor Attending Flagstick for Player Fails to Remove It; Player's Ball Strikes Flagstick

Q. A requests B, his opponent or a fellow-competitor, to attend the flagstick, and B complies. A putts too firmly and B fails to remove the flagstick. A's ball strikes the flagstick. What is the ruling?

A. If B failed to remove the flagstick for the purpose of causing A to incur a penalty, B is disqualified in both match play and stroke play for a serious breach of Rule 1-2. In stroke play, in equity (Rule 1-4), A must replay the stroke without penalty.

If B's failure to remove the flagstick was for the purpose of preventing A's ball from going beyond the flagstick and not for the purpose of causing A to incur a penalty, in match play B lost the hole under Rule 1-2 when he failed to remove the flagstick before A's ball reached the hole. The fact that A's ball subsequently struck the flagstick (a breach of Rule 17-3a) is irrelevant since B had already lost the hole. In stroke play, B incurs a penalty of two strokes under Rule 1-2, and A incurs the same penalty under Rule 17-3a.

If B's failure to remove the flagstick was not deliberate, e.g., the flagstick stuck in the socket or B was distracted and did not see A putt, A incurs a penalty of loss of hole in match play or two strokes in stroke play under Rule 17-3. B incurs no penalty.

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13) c. A & B win the hole. (No forking idea. When C moves A's ball he incurs a penalty but D does not. However, neither C nor D inform A of the penalty in a timely manner so maybe the team shares that punishment.)

30-3f/10 Player's Ball Lifted Without Authority by Opponent in Four-Ball Match

Q. In a four-ball match, an opponent lifted a player's ball on the putting green after marking its position. He did this without the authority of the player. Is the opponent subject to penalty?

A. Yes. Rule 20-1 prohibits such action. Accordingly, the opponent incurs a penalty stroke under Rule 18-3b, but the penalty does not apply to his partner — see Rule 30-3f. The player must replace his ball.

30-3. Best-Ball and Four-Ball Match Play

f. Effect of Other Penalties - If a player's breach of a Rule assists his partner's play or adversely affects an opponent's play, the partner incurs the applicable penalty in addition to any penalty incurred by the player.

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14) c. The player is disqualified immediately for not completing the hole.

3-3/7.5 Competitor Announces Intention to Play Two Balls; Plays Original Ball Before Dropping Second Ball; Elects Not to Play Second Ball

Q. A competitor's ball comes to rest in a rut made by a maintenance vehicle. Believing the Committee might declare the rut to be ground under repair, he announces that he will invoke Rule 3-3 and play a second ball in accordance with Rule 25-1b and that he wishes his score with the second ball to count if the Rules permit. He hits his original ball from the rut to one foot from the hole and then states he will not play a second ball. He completes the hole with his original ball. On completion of the round, the facts are reported to the Committee. What is the ruling?

A. The answer depends on whether the Committee declares the rut to be ground under repair. If the Committee declares the rut to be ground under repair, the competitor is disqualified for failing to hole out (Rule 3-2) since the score with the second ball would have counted — see Rule 3-3 and Decision 3-3/8. Otherwise, the score with the original ball counts.

If a player declares his intention to invoke Rule 3-3, he may change his mind at any time before he takes further action, such as making another stroke at his original ball or putting a second ball into play. Once he invokes the Rule and takes further action, he is bound by the procedures in Rule 3-3.

Related Decisions:

18-2a/12.5 Player Entitled to Relief Without Penalty from Condition Lifts Ball; Chooses Not to Take Relief and Wishes to Proceed Under the Unplayable Ball Rule

18-2a/27.5 Player Who States He Will Proceed Under Unplayable Ball Rule Subsequently Assesses Possibility of Playing Ball as It Lies

28/13 After Deeming Ball Unplayable and Lifting It, Player Discovers Ball Was in Ground Under Repair

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15) b. The player may proceed by playing a ball as close as possible to the spot from which the original ball was last played, incurring a one-stroke penalty under R28.

18-2a/12.5 Player Entitled to Relief Without Penalty from Condition Lifts Ball; Chooses Not to Take Relief and Wishes to Proceed Under the Unplayable Ball Rule

Q. A player elects to take relief from an immovable obstruction or abnormal ground condition and lifts his ball. He then realizes that the only area in which he may drop under the Rules is such that his ball, when dropped, will almost certainly be unplayable. May the player deem the ball unplayable and proceed under Rule 28?

A. Yes. The player has the following options:

1. replace the ball in its original position under penalty of one stroke (Rule 18-2a) and then proceed under Rule 28, incurring an additional penalty of one stroke; or

2. proceed directly under Rule 28b or c, without replacing the ball and using the spot where the ball originally lay as the reference point for the relief procedure, incurring a penalty stroke under Rule 28 and an additional penalty stroke under Rule 18-2a; or

3. drop the ball in accordance with Rule 24 or 25 and then, using its new position as a reference point, proceed under Rule 28 incurring a penalty of one stroke; or

4. proceed directly under Rule 28a, without dropping the ball in accordance with Rule 24 or 25, incurring a penalty of one stroke under Rule 28 and no penalty under Rule 18-2a, as he does not need to establish a new reference point before proceeding under Rule 28a.

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16) b. Player A wins the hole.

24/16 Opponent or Fellow-Competitor Removes Obstruction Affecting Player's Play

Q. An opponent or a fellow-competitor removes an obstruction that affects the player's play. What is the ruling?

A. If the obstruction is movable, when it is the player's turn to play, his opponent or a fellow-competitor has no right to remove the movable obstruction affecting the player's play if the player requests the opponent or fellow-competitor not to do so (however, for a ball-marker, see Decision 20-1/11). If the opponent or fellow-competitor ignores the request, he is in breach of Rule 1-2. In match play, the opponent loses the hole. In stroke play, the fellow-competitor incurs a penalty of two strokes and, in equity (Rule 1-4), the player is entitled to replace the movable obstruction.

In the absence of a request not to remove the movable obstruction affecting the player's play, an opponent or fellow-competitor who does so incurs no penalty. In equity (Rule 1-4), the player is entitled to replace the movable obstruction.

If the obstruction is immovable, the opponent loses the hole, or the fellow-competitor incurs a two-stroke penalty (Rule 1-2). In equity (Rule 1-4), the player is entitled to replace the immovable obstruction.

16-1c/2 Ball Mark in Position to Assist Opponent

Q. A and B are playing a match. At a par-3 hole, both are on the green with their tee shots. A's ball comes to rest four feet from the hole. B's ball is fifteen feet from the hole. Upon reaching the green, A prepares to repair his ball mark. B tells A not to do so until he (B) has putted because A's ball mark is so situated that B's ball might be deflected into the hole by it. A objects, stating that he wishes to repair his ball mark immediately. May A do so?

A. No. If A were to repair the ball mark, he would lose the hole under Rule 1-2. A has no right to repair a ball mark affecting B's play if B requests A not to repair it, unless the ball mark also physically affects A's play and it is A's turn to play.

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17) c. Player A did not inform Player B of the penalty in a timely fashion and as a result lost the hole. (Could go either way but text said B's "whose ball lay nearby" suggesting that A could have easily told B before B made his next stroke. OTOH circumstances could have been such that A felt doing so would interfere with B's game. For instance if B plays ready golf and is was well into his routine by the time A's ball has stopped moving.)

A player is deemed to have given wrong information if he:

(i) fails to inform his opponent as soon as practicable that he has incurred a penalty, unless

(a) he was obviously proceeding under a Rule involving a penalty and this was observed by his opponent, or (b) he corrects the mistake before his opponent makes his next stroke

9-2/1 Meaning of "As Soon as Practicable" in Rule 9-2

Rule 9-2b(i) requires a player who has incurred a penalty to inform his opponent "as soon as practicable." This phrase is purposely broad so as to allow for consideration of the circumstances in each situation, especially the proximity of the player to his opponent. Thus, informing the opponent "as soon as practicable" of a penalty incurred does not, in all circumstances, mean that the player must do so before the opponent plays his next stroke.

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18) d. The side has lost the hole.

20-7. Playing from Wrong Place

b. Match Play - If a player makes a stroke from a wrong place, he loses the hole.

30-3. Best-Ball and Four-Ball Match Play

f. Effect of Other Penalties - If a player's breach of a Rule assists his partner's play or adversely affects an opponent's play, the partner incurs the applicable penalty in addition to any penalty incurred by the player.

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19) d. No penalty and has proceeded correctly. (I guess you could quibble if "drops another ball about a foot from the replaced divot" is "as near as possible to a specific spot", I say yes.)

13-2/4.5 Divots Replaced in Area in Which Ball Is to Be Dropped

Q. A player makes a stroke. He replaces his divot and other divots nearby. He then discovers that his ball is lost or out of bounds. The player must now drop a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which his previous stroke was made — Rule 27-1. In these circumstances, is the player in breach of Rule 13-2, which prohibits improving the area in which a ball is to be dropped by eliminating irregularities of surface by replacing a divot?

A. No. When the player replaced the divots, he was unaware that he would be required to drop a ball in the area. Therefore, in equity (Rule 1-4), he is not penalized.

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20) d. He is disqualified for having committed a serious breach unless he corrects his error.

20-4/1 Ball Replaced on Putting Green But Ball-Marker Not Removed; Ball Then Moves

Q. A player replaces his ball on the putting green but does not remove his ball-marker. Subsequently the wind moves his ball to a new position. What is the ruling?

A. Under Rule 20-4, a ball is in play when it is replaced, whether or not the object used to mark its position has been removed. Consequently the ball must be played from the new position — see Decision 18-1/12.

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21) a. The correct score for the hole is lower than the score recorded so there is no penalty and the score of 7 stands.

15/14 Ball in Bunker Deemed Unplayable, Dropped in Bunker and Played; Ball Then Discovered to Be Stray Ball

Q. A player, believing that a ball lying very badly in a bunker is his ball, deems it unplayable, drops it in the bunker and plays it out. He then discovers that the ball he has played is not his original ball. Has he played a wrong ball?

A. No. The procedures in Rules 28b and 28c may not be applied except with reference to the position of the player’s ball in play, and this must first be found and identified (see Decision 28/1). Before proceeding under option b or c of Rule 28, the player should ensure he is doing so with reference to his ball in play. The player was permitted to identify the ball following the procedure in Rule 12-2 or, having lifted it under Rule 28, could have inspected the ball to verify that it was his ball in play. In this case, the ball dropped and played by the player was not his original ball; it was a substituted ball. Since the location of the original ball was not known at the time the substituted ball was dropped, he was required to proceed under Rule 27-1. As the substituted ball was not dropped at the spot required by Rule 27-1, he played from a wrong place (see Decision 28/15).

In match play, he incurred a penalty of loss of hole (Rule 20-7b).

In stroke play, he incurred a penalty of one stroke under Rule 27-1 and an additional penalty of two strokes under Rule 20-7c for playing from a wrong place. If the breach was a serious one, he is subject to disqualification unless he corrected his error as provided in Rule 20-7c. (Revised)

6-6. Scoring in Stroke Play

d. Wrong Score for Hole - The competitor is responsible for the correctness of the score recorded for each hole on his score card. If he returns a score for any hole lower than actually taken, he is disqualified. If he returns a score for any hole higher than actually taken, the score as returned stands.

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22) b. B won the hole.

18-2a/27.5 Player Who States He Will Proceed Under Unplayable Ball Rule Subsequently Assesses Possibility of Playing Ball as It Lies

Q. A player's ball is in a bad lie and in such a position that he considers that he may move the ball in breach of Rule 18-2a when he gets close to it. As provided in Decision 18-2a/27, the player may protect himself against penalty by stating that he will proceed under Rule 28. The player makes such an announcement, but, upon reaching the area where his ball lies and finding that the ball did not move, takes a club and begins to assess the possibility of playing the ball as it lies. What would be the ruling if the player then accidentally caused the ball to move?

A. Despite the fact that the player has stated that he intends to proceed under Rule 28, if it becomes clear from the player's actions that he is considering playing the ball as it lies, the Committee should rule that the player's intention to deem the ball unplayable has ceased and, therefore, the player would incur a penalty stroke under Rule 18-2a if he thereafter caused his ball to move.

18-2b/2 Ball Moves After Stance Taken in Hazard Without Club

Q. A player enters a hazard without a club and positions his feet for the purpose of determining how he wishes to play the shot. Has he taken his stance (and thus addressed the ball) so that, if the ball thereafter moves, he is subject to penalty under Rule 18-2b?

A. Yes. See Decision 13-4/24.

26-1/9 Caddie Lifts Ball in Water Hazard Without Player's Authority

Q. A player’s ball lying in a water hazard is lifted by the player’s caddie without the player’s authority. What is the ruling?

A. There is no penalty under Rule 18-2a if there was no doubt or it was reasonable to assume from the player’s actions or statements that he would make his next stroke from outside the water hazard.

In the absence of such circumstances, the player incurred a one-stroke penalty under Rule 18-2a and may either replace the ball as required by Rule 18-2a or proceed under Rule 26-1 and incur an additional one-stroke penalty under that Rule.

In such cases, any doubt should be resolved against the player. (Revised)

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23) b. Player A lost the hole as soon as he improved the area of his intended swing and line of play.

Rule 10. Order of Play

b. During Play of Hole - After both players have started play of the hole, the ball farther from the hole is played first.

13-2/5 Replacing or Removing Undetached Divot

Q. A player's ball comes to rest in front of a divot which is folded over but not completely detached. The divot interferes with his backswing. May the player replace or remove the divot before playing?

A. No. A divot which is not completely detached is not a loose impediment. It is something fixed and therefore its removal or replacement would be a breach of Rule 13-2 as the lie and area of intended swing would be improved.

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24) d. A scored 5 and B scored 2

15-3b/1 Competitor Plays Wrong Ball and Loses It; Wrong Ball May Have Been Fellow-Competitor's Ball

Q. In stroke play, A and B drive into the same area in the rough. B finds a ball and hits it into the middle of a deep water hazard. A finds a ball that turns out to be B's ball. No other ball is found in the area, so presumably B played A's ball. B incurs a penalty of two strokes under Rule 15-3b and must play his own ball. What is the proper procedure for A?

A. As it was virtually certain that B played A's ball, A must place another ball at the spot from which B played the wrong ball, without penalty -- Rule 15-3b.

20-7. Playing from Wrong Place

c. Stroke Play - Note 3: If a player incurs a penalty for making a stroke from a wrong place, there is no additional penalty for substituting a ball when not permitted.

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25) b. 6

28/6.5 Player Deems Ball Unplayable a Second Time and Wishes to Proceed Under Stroke and Distance After Dropping a Ball Under Other Unplayable Option

Q. A player plays a stroke from Point A to Point B. The player deems his ball unplayable and proceeds under either Rule 28b or c. After dropping under penalty of one stroke, the ball comes to rest at Point C. The player deems his ball unplayable for a second time and wishes to proceed under Rule 28a, playing from Point A. Is this permissible?

A. Yes. The player may play from Point A because he did not make a stroke at the ball from either Point B or Point C. Point A was the spot from which the original ball was last played. The player would incur a total of two penalty strokes.

Rule 28. Ball Unplayable

When proceeding under this Rule, the player may lift and clean his ball or substitute a ball.

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[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by M2R

Well +1 for painful, and just let me add perverse.  At the beginning I thought "hey this might be a good vehicle for learning the rules better" but the reality is at this point I'm thoroughly and deeply confused.  I'm glad fourputt said this is rather contrived because that makes me feel a little better about the whole thing.

If these represented common scenarios on the golf course, the game would never have survived the 17th century.

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by iacas

The Met PGA section has published their yearly (I think) rules quiz, and it's a doozy! Give it a go:

http://www.mgagolf.org/intraclub/query/catquery.html?doc_number=14375

Discuss it here. I don't recommend reading below here if you don't want to see any answers...

Are there any answers published yet? Tried to find from the page but failed.

[Zeph]

Quote:

The answers to the MGA Rules Quiz will be available on Monday, March 14 ^th .

http://www.mgagolf.org/intraclub/query/catquery.html?doc_number=14433

[Ignorant]

The answers are there: http://www.mgagolf.org/ .

Enjoy!

[Zeph]

My results: 10/25 correct without using the rules, 12/25 when using the rules.

Happy I don't have to face those situtations each round.

[rjfan91]

I only got 6 right....

[BrushCaddy]

Wow, I got 4 out of 25...  not good.

[JetFan1983]

This is so much more enjoyable knowing I have the answer sheet in a minimized window. It's also extremely helpful that they've included which rule is used or else no.2 would still make no sense to me. OK, on to question three now....finally.