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"Understanding the Golf Swing" by Manuel De La Torre


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20 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

Have not read it but great great hall of fame instructor here

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9 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

A lot of people write this off saying it's all arms.  That's totally misunderstanding imo.

same with Ernest jones teaching

these types of teaching regularly get the 'internet beatdown' by bunches of hack internet golf keyboard warrior idiots

So you claim to understand a book you haven't read?

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I have de la  Torre's book, as well Jones's book. Have had them for several years (decades) too. I still pull them out of moth balls every so often, to remind myself of some of their instructions. 

I would highly recommend them both to anyone who can understand what they read. 

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On 3/16/2017 at 5:34 PM, iacas said:

That does not really qualify.

I've watched several hours of him.  I've read hundreds of postings people who have learned from him have made.  He was consistent in his approach.

I have no reason to believe he wrote a book in which he contradicts himself.

He is a hall of famer for good reason imo.  There is plenty of information available online for anyone who wishes to search.

I will not post a bunch of stuff on him here because of courtesy,  but the point I am trying to make is just that for me here as a real world golfer I have found his approach effective.

His hall of fame resume speaks for itself.  I just doubt that his book is different from his beliefs that he has expressed in the spoken word.  So my review of the book is 'high Quality'.

Pirsig would be proud.  

 

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Dude… you didn't read the book. You aren't qualified to review it.

I can't review a band's album without hearing it based only on their other albums.

Hogan was a great player but Five Lessons is over-rated. And I've read it.

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On 2017-03-16 at 9:11 AM, Jack Watson said:

No,  but I have listened to him describe his teaching.  It's not an arm slap like people think.  

The problem with Manuel's book is that many people will read it and become "arm slappers". That's actually a big problem with learning from any book, you really need some external eyes to get you on track. I have no doubt that someone who actually works with him will develope a good swing, but the book on its own is lacking. I find some of his stuff very helpful after having learned more "technical" stuff, but I was definitely stuck in a rut when trying to learn from his book alone

His book is all about feel, and feel ain't real. 

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55 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

The problem with Manuel's book is that many people will read it and become "arm slappers". That's actually a big problem with learning from any book, you really need some external eyes to get you on track. I have no doubt that someone who actually works with him will develope a good swing, but the book on its own is lacking. I find some of his stuff very helpful after having learned more "technical" stuff, but I was definitely stuck in a rut when trying to learn from his book alone

His book is all about feel, and feel ain't real. 

@Jack Watson, this is exactly why having read the actual book you're reviewing is important.

I'd like to welcome you to the site, but please contribute more than just flyby "this book sucks" type commentary, particularly when you haven't read the book. We have lots of swing and instructional threads if that's the area you enjoy, and I'm always up for a good debate.

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This book is my GOLF book of choice at the moment.  I have not come across the "arm slapper" stuff as of yet but then I'm currently on page 57.  What I have taken fro the book so far is let your swing come naturally or be a natural movement rather trying to think about hitting specific movements. He is so far working through the basic fundamentals of grip, stance, alignment.  Shame he passed away as I live a hop, skip and jump away from the Milwaukee CC and I never new that a hall of famer was so close. 

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As for arms, he said on page 51 he was using a technical definition of an arm, which is the part from the shoulder to the elbow. The part from the elbow to the wrist is the forearm, and that is the arm in his use, or upper arm in common use, that has "...the responsibility for the rest of the motion (forward swing)..." And so on. He didn't mean the entire limb.

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I have read this book several times over, and have not turned into an arm slapper, which I suppose is an arms only swing. 

His basic teaching is just swing the the club head, much like Earnest Jones wrote about. Swing the club in a relaxed manner, and let everything else fall into place.

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I have read the book many times. The book is actually a masterpiece, to my pov. It has so many insights and presents his system in the most precise manner imaginable. I don't understand the detractors. 

I share insights from it with players better than myself with low handicaps and more technical approaches (body oriented swings) and they're always stunned by Manuel's insights. 

Not to say it is for everyone. I would suggest people watch the videos. I am a reader and some people are not but I would say it is important to read the book to recommend it. 

I just wish I had met the man. Extraordinary teacher and I am grateful for what he contributed, and to my game. Am much more accurate now and enjoy not being in the woods, wasting time with positions and all kinds of questionable golf advice.

My two cents.

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