The Open-Face Draw

[deronsizemore]

Curious to hear thoughts on this:

http://rittergolf.com/golf/golf/instruction/516/mission-impossible

I don't agree with it, but thought I'd post for the sake of discussion. I can't see how people every expect to be consistent with something like this.

[Shindig]

Maybe I'm not reading it carefully enough, but hitting a draw with an open club face is a common thing. Not necessarily the way he's describing it, but it's far from a trick shot.

[tanktwo2]

seems really silly.  Golf is a game of consistency, and this seems like a very inconsistent irresponsible risk that leads to trouble

[deronsizemore]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shindig

Maybe I'm not reading it carefully enough, but hitting a draw with an open club face is a common thing. Not necessarily the way he's describing it, but it's far from a trick shot.

I realize that a draw can be hit with the face open, but the part that I just can't understand is:

Quote:

Keep in mind, it’s not a closed club face that causes a draw, but rather a club face that is ‘closing!’ Ah…read that again! As long as your club face is the ‘the process’ of closing, it can still be open to the line of flight and curve the ball to the left.

and

Quote:

Once the face is set open, feel the face is closing hard in the downswing.

The bottom picture in the article has a caption of "Right Palm Turns Aggressively Downward."

Trying to actively close the face hard in the downswing can't be a consistent approach to swinging a golf club. He's supposed to be on the best young teachers out there, yet I have no idea how he's able to teach this kind of thing and get people to continue to pay him money.

[michaeljames92]

Or you can just hit the ball with an open face to the target but closed to the swing path with the club moving down and out...

[senorchipotle]

wow. that was funny/weird/terrible. i really don't know why this guy is so popular, i've not been impressed by his vids on youtube. he's like one of those holdouts in the 1700's still claiming the earth is flat. i always open the face when i'm going to hit a draw. if i don't, it's a pull.

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by senorchipotle

i always open the face when i'm going to hit a draw. if i don't, it's a pull.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. If we want the ball to draw back to our target then it has to start outside the target line, which means the face has to be open to that line at impact. Really not rocket science. Always puzzles me that the concept gives so many people (up to instructor level, apparently!) conniptions.

[Zeph]

I stopped reading after I saw this: [quote]Keep in mind, it’s not a closed club face that causes a draw, but rather a club face that is ‘closing!’ Ah…read that again! As long as your club face is the ‘the process’ of closing, it can still be open to the line of flight and curve the ball to the left.[/quote] I got some warning signs earlier: [quote]In addition, you can turn the face down hard into the hit, creating a confident strike without worrying if the ball will hook too much on you![/quote] I would advise everyone to discard that article, it's stupid. It's scary that such information goes around the net, especially at the hands of someone with their on website. IIRC, the ball is in contact with the clubface for 0,00004 seconds or something like that, and that you may perhaps change the angle of the clubface by half a degree during that period of time. Here is how you hit a push-draw. Mind you, the angles are exaggerated to make it visually easier to comprehend. [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/image/id/159581/width/1000/height/800][IMG]http://thesandtrap.com/image/id/159581/width/1000/height/500[/IMG][/URL] For those still interested in this shot, follow this link: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/thread/43037/ball-flight-rules-hitting-a-push-draw

[deronsizemore]

Originally Posted by Zeph

I stopped reading after I saw this:

I got some warning signs earlier:

I would advise everyone to discard that article, it's stupid. It's scary that such information goes around the net, especially at the hands of someone with their on website. IIRC, the ball is in contact with the clubface for 0,00004 seconds or something like that, and that you may perhaps change the angle of the clubface by half a degree during that period of time.

Here is how you hit a push-draw. Mind you, the angles are exaggerated to make it visually easier to comprehend.

For those still interested in this shot, follow this link: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/thread/43037/ball-flight-rules-hitting-a-push-draw

Yeah, it really is scary. Scary that the average golfer doesn't know enough to do their own research and figure out why the ball does what it does. They just see someone as "One of Golf Digest's best Young Teachers" or whatever the title may be and assume that the person has to know what they're talking about. There's a lot of great teachers out there that never get their name thrown out for being one of the "best." Sadly, some will never go to them for a lesson because of this.

The guy I go to for example. He was stacking and tilting before stacking and titling even became popular. He learned from Andy and I can remember a time about eight years ago he gave me a quick lesson and was telling me to keep most of my weight on my left side through the swing. Well, eight years ago I thought he was crazy. Did it for a week or so and went back to the "traditional" swing. If I only knew then what I know now. Wish I had listened. But, at the time, that wasn't what Golf Digest was telling me to do. I've also been to the guys who are thought of as the "best in the state" and learned more in twenty minutes with my buddy here recently than I did in multiple lessons with the "best."

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by Zeph

The problem with that picture -- and yes I know it's for illustrative purposes only -- is you can see the ball and it's going pretty much straight down the target line.

[bkoguy07]

Originally Posted by Stretch

The problem with that picture -- and yes I know it's for illustrative purposes only -- is you can see the ball and it's going pretty much straight down the target line.

Lol

Here is how you hit a push-draw. Mind you, the angles are exaggerated to make it visually easier to comprehend.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by bkoguy07

Lol

Here is how you hit a push-draw. Mind you, the angles are exaggerated to make it visually easier to comprehend.

He knows. Hence the winky.