Who puts the pin back?

[1par2win]

Originally Posted by Elvisliveson

You know what, my daughter is mentally disabled and a competitor in the Special Olympics. You're a douche bag.

I apologize to you and your daughter. It was meant as a joke and I would have not made the insensitive remark if I felt offense was taken. My 7 year old son has Asperger syndrome which is a form of autism so I am not indifferent to the needs of raising a special needs child  And it may or may not be any any interest to you I participate in a Special Olympics fund raiser at the University of Minnesota each year because I believe in what the stand for.

But speaking as a father if I didn't laugh at the lighter side I would go crazy. You just cant assume jokes like that are directed to you personally. Again, no offense was intended and I do apologize.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by 1par2win

Really? Just out of curiousity, how do you handle the situation when your playing with someone that doesn't know your rule and they have the audacity to pick up your wedge when your putting out? ...How do you avoid the enviable awkward moment when they think they are helping and you tell them not to pick up your club?

First, I agree with Sean - I'd rather be responsible for my own clubs, for a variety of reasons - one of which being I don't want to get in the habit of someone else picking them up, because that's a good way to start forgetting to pick them up yourself.  It's particularly an issue for someone like me who usually walks, and therefore rarely has to remember to pick up clubs in the first place.  Second, nothing in Sean's post indicated there would be an awkward moment. Maybe he lets it slide because he knows the person is just trying to help. Maybe he'll make a polite comment if the person does it too many times.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by Gresh24

How does having shorter players hit first, or any tee off order for that matter, speed up play?

In situations where the group ahead is reachable by the longer hitters but not by the shorter hitters.

[Windmill]

First in gets the pin here too, unless you're that guy that leaves his clubs laying over the stick, then you get the pin.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Windmill

First in gets the pin here too, unless you're that guy that leaves his clubs laying over the stick, then you get the pin.

Ding ding ding........ winner here.  I hate when some else tries, consciously or not, to make me responsible for picking up his wedges - or his muddy, wet towel - by laying them over the flagstick.  Makes me tend to just ignore it.

[ShearBalata]

Thanks Spyder.

Originally Posted by Spyder

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[turtleback]

Originally Posted by sacm3bill

In situations where the group ahead is reachable by the longer hitters but not by the shorter hitters.

The thing is, if you have to wait on the tee shot if the long hitters hit first, then even if you have the shorter hitters hit first you are going to have to wait to hit your second shots anyway.  So where is the actual time savings.

I love playing fast, but the reality is that if you are waiting on the group ahead of you there is almost nothing you can do that will actually speed up play.

[sean_miller]

If you can push the group ahead (i.e. all be ready to hit as soon as possible and all get on or near the green ASAP) then they might let you play through.

Originally Posted by turtleback

The thing is, if you have to wait on the tee shot if the long hitters hit first, then even if you have the shorter hitters hit first you are going to have to wait to hit your second shots anyway.  So where is the actual time savings.

I love playing fast, but the reality is that if you are waiting on the group ahead of you there is almost nothing you can do that will actually speed up play.

[sacm3bill]

In addition to what Sean said,

Originally Posted by turtleback

The thing is, if you have to wait on the tee shot if the long hitters hit first, then even if you have the shorter hitters hit first you are going to have to wait to hit your second shots anyway.

That doesn't necessarily follow at all. You never know how fast the group ahead might get off the green, or how slow your group might be before getting to your approach shots. (Maybe one guy hits OB and has to re-tee, another guy spends a few minutes looking for his ball, a third guy might have to chip out sideways from the trees or otherwise lay up, etc...)

Originally Posted by turtleback

I love playing fast, but the reality is that if you are waiting on the group ahead of you there is almost nothing you can do that will actually speed up play.

That may often be true, but my philosophy is to save time whenever possible. The rationale I gave above holds true for any hole, and if it happens on more than one hole the effect accumulates - you just never know when the group whose heels you've been on for several holes might start slowly pulling away from you. That's happened to me a lot, and when it did I was glad I had encouraged my slow-assed playing partners to keep up prior to that - otherwise we'd have been even farther behind.

[camper6]

I love playing fast, but the reality is that if you are waiting on the group ahead of you there is almost nothing you can do that will actually speed up play.

So if you love playing fast doesn't it make sense to let the shorter hitters tee off if they can't reach the group ahead of them safely.

And then by the time (assuming you are a long hitter) you tee off, the group ahead of you is out of range and you can safely hit.

Otherwise you would be waiting for the group ahead to move before teeing off.  So doesn't that save time as well as the frustration of waiting?

And what if the group ahead of you are not slow and have cleared the green all the time before you hit your second shots to the green?

(I know that's a miracle, but it does happen the odd time doesn't it.?)

[camper6]

Originally Posted by carpediem4300

well eitquette would dictate the person picking the stick up would hold the flag against the stick to stop said flapping, the person who lets it flap about is an ass and probably has further etiquette issues throughout his game

Yes we know that there are etiquette issues.  We are talking about gamesmanship here not etiquette.

[carpediem4300]

well said,

to many people are harsh to judge little jokes, when in reality if they were not in a position to be offended, they would of probably laughed aswell,

its only when things are said in a derogatory way we should say stop and take caution,

anyway back on topic

Originally Posted by 1par2win

I apologize to you and your daughter. It was meant as a joke and I would have not made the insensitive remark if I felt offense was taken. My 7 year old son has Asperger syndrome which is a form of autism so I am not indifferent to the needs of raising a special needs child  And it may or may not be any any interest to you I participate in a Special Olympics fund raiser at the University of Minnesota each year because I believe in what the stand for.

But speaking as a father if I didn't laugh at the lighter side I would go crazy. You just cant assume jokes like that are directed to you personally. Again, no offense was intended and I do apologize.

[camper6]

After reading alll the posts here I have come to the conclusion that first in gets the pin makes sense.

[Yukari]

Here, here!!!

Granted it is sometimes difficult to know the "tone" in written words, but I think this was clearly not one of those derogatory intent.

Originally Posted by carpediem4300

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its only when things are said in a derogatory way we should say stop and take caution,

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[Gresh24]

Originally Posted by sacm3bill

In situations where the group ahead is reachable by the longer hitters but not by the shorter hitters.

I guess I don't play with guys who have that big of a disparity in length, unless someone is 'laying up' off the tee.

[sean_miller]

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[sean_miller]

In my golf league the disparity between the longest and shortest driver is 200+ yards. It makes for a very long round since someone is always waiting.

Originally Posted by Gresh24

I guess I don't play with guys who have that big of a disparity in length, unless someone is 'laying up' off the tee.

[Grumpter]

Yeah my regular weekend foursome there are 2 guys who sometimes take 2 shots to reach my ball. Fairly often they are teeing off before me even if they didn't win honors.