Tees in the Butt End of the Grip

[zeg]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

How would you break a rule as far as a definition of a stroke is concerned...?

No, the intent is not about having an intention to strike a ball or not, it is about the intent of doing something that is or may be against the Rules.

That is exactly what I said.

[Fourputt]

A tee in the butt end of the grip would have no effect on a player's swing because it's weight is negligible and would have no effect there.  The same amount of weight on the clubhead has a greater effect because of the increased kinetic energy due to the speed of the clubhead.  Even then, adding or removing weight to the clubhead (lead tape or the newer adjustable weights) before the start of a round is still legal.  Adding or changing such weights during the round is not allowed.  I don't think that sticking a tee in the end of the grip, or removing it, during the round would be an issue as it does nothing to assist the player in making a stroke.

[WWBDD]

This entire thread is satire ... right?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by WWBDD

This entire thread is satire ... right?

Nope. I suggested to someone that he put a tee in the grip and feel it brushing against his pocket/thigh on the takeaway (not in a competition, as practice), which sent me down the road of pondering the legality of a tee in the butt end of the club.

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by zeg

That is exactly what I said.

Ok, then I did not understand what you wrote. I thought you wrote that one obvious example of intent in breaking a Rule is Definition of a stroke. IMO Definition is no Rule.

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by iacas

Nope. I suggested to someone that he put a tee in the grip and feel it brushing against his pocket/thigh on the takeaway (not in a competition, as practice), which sent me down the road of pondering the legality of a tee in the butt end of the club.

My point exactly. If this kind of drill is recommended by instructors then it is clear that it helps a player in making a stroke.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

My point exactly. If this kind of drill is recommended by instructors then it is clear that it helps a player in making a stroke.

But only if it's being used for that.  Since I never heard of such a drill, if I was to put a tee in the butt of the grip, I can't see how I'd be using it for anything but a place to store the tee.  If I press the tee in as far as it will go, I don't see how it would work for what Erik is referring to anyway.  There wouldn't be enough sticking out to brush against anything.

By the way, the only time I've ever put a tee in the hole in the grip is when I'm putting new grips on and I use it to plug the hole when I squirt solvent into the grip before pressing it onto the shaft.

[zeg]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

Ok, then I did not understand what you wrote. I thought you wrote that one obvious example of intent in breaking a Rule is Definition of a stroke. IMO Definition is no Rule.

Ah, no.  I was just pointing out that people sometimes get confused about usage of the word "intent."  Apparently my post was a case in point. :-)

[Ignorant]

Originally Posted by Ignorant

My point exactly. If this kind of drill is recommended by instructors then it is clear that it helps a player in making a stroke.

Originally Posted by Fourputt

But only if it's being used for that.  Since I never heard of such a drill, if I was to put a tee in the butt of the grip, I can't see how I'd be using it for anything but a place to store the tee.  If I press the tee in as far as it will go, I don't see how it would work for what Erik is referring to anyway.  There wouldn't be enough sticking out to brush against anything.

Now ur beginning to see the light

What I wrote before: why does USGA allow something to stick out max 2 inches? This only creates confusion and potential mistrust as the tee 2 inches long CAN be used for improving the quality of player's stroke. Is it allowed for temporary balancing of the club (thick lead sticks with narrow end to stick it in the grip) or what?

Btw, so you have never heard of that drill. I have never ever heard someone storing a tee on the grip, sounds absolutety ridiculous to me. Almost every single cart, bag or trolley has a place to store tees, and if not, there is an ample selection of accessories one may purchase for that purpose. So, if I as a Rules Official would encounter a competitor sticking a tee in the butt end of the grip I would certainly ask him/her to remove it or stick it all the way through, just to make sure there will be no disputes about the purpose of that tee.

[awj888]

This is the first time ever I have heard the reason for putting golf tees in the butt of the club, for preventing water! - I just thought it was a convenience thing to have it there.  And the only time I have seen this when golfing was at the driving range with instructor