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theres a guy at work ses its easy to hit out of a dibit just take another inside it. hes been playing for four years.he also ses that its all about distance and how good a brand of clubs u have.i had to histaricly laph at him when i asked him how much he practices he ses he practices when hes on the golf course.this went into me telling him he should go to the driving range he told me only morons go there.that it wont teach u any thing and that u can only hit off a mat and that it dont teach u any thing and u cant learn any thing at a driving range.

thoughts and opinions on this guy is he a moron do u even think he ever goes golfing?


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Well he is correct to a certain extent. There are players who look great at the range and you get them on the course and they can't play from anything but a flat "clean" area. Practice on the course is what will make you a better player. Practice at the range is where you can fine tune your swing.

I love when my friends tell me they did great at the range, and you get them on the course and its a whole different story.


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oviously u dont get the purpose of a driving range .you can practice any shot at the driving range u would find at a golf course exept sand trap stuff.u have ruff and fairway and also uphill and dowhill lyes whatever u want to practice.then u can see if u hit a good shot if that one shot was a fluck if so u can do that shot over and over and over again till u fine tune it u cant do this on a golf course.


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The range is a great place to groove the swing.  I see your HC is 27......it's a great place for beginners like yourself to gain confidence and to learn to consistently advance the ball and make contact.

And this is coming from a guy who hasn't hit a bucket of balls since 1995....I've never been accused of being a range rat, but the range definitely has it's benefits.  I used to beat a ton of balls at the range when I was starting out.   I believe golfers should not play at a golf course until they've learned to hit the ball airborne with consistency at the range first....

What's in Paul's Bag:
- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Driver
- Big Bertha Alpha 815 3-wood
- Callaway Razr Fit 5-wood
- Callaway Big Bertha 4-5 Rescue Clubs
-- Mizuno Mx-25 six iron-gap wedge
- Mizuno Mp-T4 56degree SW
- Mizuno Mp-T11 60degree SW
- Putter- Ping Cadence Ketsch


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i absolutly agree . i told him u shouldnt play golf unlease u can hit a green 200 yrd away 8 times out of 10 he laphed and told me im stupid.ill be 2 years learning to do that.


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Originally Posted by lllllsp1d3rllll

theres a guy at work ses its easy to hit out of a dibit just take another inside it. hes been playing for four years.he also ses that its all about distance and how good a brand of clubs u have.i had to histaricly laph at him when i asked him how much he practices he ses he practices when hes on the golf course.this went into me telling him he should go to the driving range he told me only morons go there.that it wont teach u any thing and that u can only hit off a mat and that it dont teach u any thing and u cant learn any thing at a driving range.

thoughts and opinions on this guy is he a moron do u even think he ever goes golfing?

I'd have to see him write a paragraph before I characterized him as a moron.

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Originally Posted by lllllsp1d3rllll

i absolutly agree . i told him u shouldnt play golf unlease u can hit a green 200 yrd away 8 times out of 10 he laphed and told me im stupid.ill be 2 years learning to do that.

I think that's absolutely ridiculous. A green 200 yards away 80% of the time? The best GIR on the PGA tour isn't even 80% I don't think.

Originally Posted by sean_miller

I'd have to see him write a paragraph before I characterized him as a moron.

Well said.


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i absolutly agree . i told him u shouldnt play golf unlease u can hit a green 200 yrd away 8 times out of 10 he laphed and told me im stupid.ill be 2 years learning to do that.

Hmmm....by this logic every single pro on tour shouldn't play golf... Tour leader for GIR is currently 74%ish.... I'd laugh at you as well if you presented with your argument...

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TaylorMade R11 Driver (10.5 stiff stock shaft)

TaylorMade R11 3wood (15 degree stiff stock shaft)

Adams IdeaPro 3i hybrid (20 degree)

Titleist DCI 4-PW (photo)

Cleveland CG15 wedges (52, 56, 60)

Odyssey White-Hot 2-Ball (Superstroke oversize grip)

Bushnell Tour V2 Rangefinder

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lmao a tour pro can hit a green at 200 yrds 95% of the time my dad can hit a green at 200 yrds 75 if not 80% of the time to play competitivly all it takes is practice heck im even changing my swing starting from scratch when its all said and done my goal is to hit a green at 200 yrds 80% of the time an play any course and finish at 9+ or better 100% of the time


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Originally Posted by sean_miller

I'd have to see him write a paragraph before I characterized him as a moron.

LOL!!!!!!

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3 Wood: :Cobra Bio Cell 16*, Stock X-Flex

5 Wood: Cobra Bio Cell 20*, Stock S-Flex
Irons: Bridgestone J40-CB 3-PW, Project-X 6.0

Gap Wedge::Vokey: 52* CNC  

Sand Wedge: :Vokey: 58* CNC  

Putters: Scotty Cameron Newport II 

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lmao a tour pro can hit a green at 200 yrds 95% of the time my dad can hit a green at 200 yrds 75 if not 80% of the time to play competitivly all it takes is practice heck im even changing my swing starting from scratch when its all said and done my goal is to hit a green at 200 yrds 80% of the time an play any course and finish at 9+ or better 100% of the time

Good luck with that.... Does your English professor play golf? What's his GIR % from 200?

In the bag:

TaylorMade R11 Driver (10.5 stiff stock shaft)

TaylorMade R11 3wood (15 degree stiff stock shaft)

Adams IdeaPro 3i hybrid (20 degree)

Titleist DCI 4-PW (photo)

Cleveland CG15 wedges (52, 56, 60)

Odyssey White-Hot 2-Ball (Superstroke oversize grip)

Bushnell Tour V2 Rangefinder

Ping Hoofer 2012 Bag

 

 


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i dont know what his is but i bet i can out computer program him try spelling code and figuring out how to write it all day long lmao u could only dream i type so much when im just typing to somone i dont care how i type and u shouldnt neather so dous that mean ur shalow and a moron as well my thoughts and opinion are yes cous untill u can out write and program me i wouldnt even waist ur time ull just look stupid


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i wouldnt even waist ur time ull just look stupid

Thanks for the advice - the last thing I'd want is to look stupid!

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In the bag:

TaylorMade R11 Driver (10.5 stiff stock shaft)

TaylorMade R11 3wood (15 degree stiff stock shaft)

Adams IdeaPro 3i hybrid (20 degree)

Titleist DCI 4-PW (photo)

Cleveland CG15 wedges (52, 56, 60)

Odyssey White-Hot 2-Ball (Superstroke oversize grip)

Bushnell Tour V2 Rangefinder

Ping Hoofer 2012 Bag

 

 


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Originally Posted by lllllsp1d3rllll

i dont know what his is but i bet i can out computer program him try spelling code and figuring out how to write it all day long lmao u could only dream i type so much when im just typing to somone i dont care how i type and u shouldnt neather so dous that mean ur shalow and a moron as well my thoughts and opinion are yes cous untill u can out write and program me i wouldnt even waist ur time ull just look stupid

I'm a computer programmer. I write with reasonable grammar and don't misspell words all that often. When I do they're legitimate typographical errors, not just laziness or stupidity.

Just a word of advice: all people have to judge you is what you type here.

Still, I'm virtually certain I've "waisted" my time just now.

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lmao a tour pro can hit a green at 200 yrds 95% of the time...

No, not even from 125-150 yards. http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?329

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Don't take it personally.  A lot of people with jobs that require them to interact with people take offense when the English language is completely mangled beyond recognition.  It's not that you are stupid, it is just that you look stupid to someone who's only connection to you is one completely illegible paragraph.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way if I was trying to write code.

To answer your question, there is no "right" answer.  You can improve by going to the driving range, but as was stated earlier, there are limitations.  You can also improve greatly by playing, but it can be pretty frustrating if you can't consistently execute the golf swing enough to move your way around the course.

Or, put another way, "U shuud elway perktace yer gaym, ether at the rainj oar on the cors."

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Cobra Rusty 55 SW

Cobra Rusty 59 LW

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Originally Posted by lllllsp1d3rllll

i dont know what his is but i bet i can out computer program him try spelling code and figuring out how to write it all day long lmao u could only dream i type so much when im just typing to somone i dont care how i type and u shouldnt neather so dous that mean ur shalow and a moron as well my thoughts and opinion are yes cous untill u can out write and program me i wouldnt even waist ur time ull just look stupid


Well, that certainly makes everything clear.


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This thread got really weird...LOL

I think I'm done here......

What's in Paul's Bag:
- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Driver
- Big Bertha Alpha 815 3-wood
- Callaway Razr Fit 5-wood
- Callaway Big Bertha 4-5 Rescue Clubs
-- Mizuno Mx-25 six iron-gap wedge
- Mizuno Mp-T4 56degree SW
- Mizuno Mp-T11 60degree SW
- Putter- Ping Cadence Ketsch


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