65/20/15 Practice Ratios: Where to Devote Your Practice Time

[Darkfrog]

7 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

In 2021 I used the 100/0/0 plan. 

I think I'm somewhere near 99/0.5/0.5 ratio. I do short game practice once a week for just a few minutes using covid-19 practice plan day 6/7 drills, and maybe once or twice a month I'll do a yardstick bead drill for putting.

I lose the majority of my strokes with full swing, so until putting or short game become a glaring deficiency, I try to do just enough to maintain my current skill level in these areas.

I do think I could do better in both areas, especially short game, but I feel like the type of practice I need for short game and putting requires being at a practice facility, and not hitting off a mat into a net, or rolling a ball around my living room.

[Vespidae]

I’ve used various versions of 65/20/15 for some time. I’m changing up my routine (new work schedule) and am considering the program below. I estimate it at about 100 minutes, 3 times a week. I play the other days. The course I’m now playing has very undulating greens, hence the variety of Greenside/Approach shots.
Comments welcome.

 

Putting

• Make 10 out of 10 of your 3 foot putts 
• Make 5 out of 10 of your 8 foot putts
• Make 3 out of 10 of your 15 foot putts
• Lag putting: Roll your long-range putts < 10% of their starting distance 

Greenside shots (1-20 yards): Hit 8 out of 10 to within 6 feet of the hole.

• 10-yard chip shot from light fringe.
• 20-yard chip shot from light rough.
• 15-yard short pitch shot to cup. [Front edge floater]
• 15-yard lob shot over bunker to cup. 

Greenside Bunker Shots 

• 10 out of 10 out of bunker to a distance of about 30 feet 
• Hit 5 out of 10 stop to within 9 feet of the hole

Approach Shots (20 - 60 yards): Hit 4 of 10 to within 11 feet of the hole

• 30-yard pitch and run to the cup. [ … to back pin]
• 30 yard floater, various lengths (<30 yds)
• Ladder drill … low spinning pitch (vary trajectory), 5 ea

Full Swing: 

• 50-yard pitch to the cup. [Driving wedge w/spin]* , use as a warm up
• Hit 2 balls with every iron (SW - 3H); land and stop on the green
• Hit 4 balls with every wood (5W - 3W); hit 3 of 4 GIR or nGIR
• Hit 6 balls with the driver; Hit 4 out of 6 in the fairway at 250+ yds

[ChiTown]

54 minutes ago, Vespidae said:

I’ve used various versions of 65/20/15 for some time. I’m changing up my routine (new work schedule) and am considering the program below. I estimate it at about 100 minutes, 3 times a week. I play the other days. The course I’m now playing has very undulating greens, hence the variety of Greenside/Approach shots.
Comments welcome.

Hey @Vespidae not offering an opinion in your routine but for comparison here is mine. I tend to break things down type of club or swing so I can “get deep” in one area. I also do the same warm up routine before practice as I do before a round. 
 

Day 1: Driver/Fairway Wood/Hybrids - First third for all clubs is focusing on setup, grip, alignment stick, core rotation, etc for each shot. Second third is max speed. Final third for driver is 80% swing to really get consistent shot shape and direction.

Day 2: Irons - Full Swing  - First third is mid iron focusing on fundamentals and square contact  Second third around 5-6 shots with each iron. Final third long irons at 80-90% (focus area for me).

Day 3: Wedges (Full swing) / Putting

Day 4: Chipping / Pitching / Putting 

Wedges, Chipping, Pitching, is all about consistency for me. So I’ll work each club 5-10 strokes and see what the carry and distance is. I’ll work both regular grip and choked up. Generally for putting I want ten in a row at 5’. Anything longer and I just want to get within 5’

[iacas]

11 hours ago, Vespidae said:

I’ve used various versions of 65/20/15 for some time. I’m changing up my routine (new work schedule) and am considering the program below. I estimate it at about 100 minutes, 3 times a week. I play the other days. The course I’m now playing has very undulating greens, hence the variety of Greenside/Approach shots.
Comments welcome.

 

Putting

• Make 10 out of 10 of your 3 foot putts 
• Make 5 out of 10 of your 8 foot putts
• Make 3 out of 10 of your 15 foot putts
• Lag putting: Roll your long-range putts < 10% of their starting distance 

Greenside shots (1-20 yards): Hit 8 out of 10 to within 6 feet of the hole.

• 10-yard chip shot from light fringe.
• 20-yard chip shot from light rough.
• 15-yard short pitch shot to cup. [Front edge floater]
• 15-yard lob shot over bunker to cup. 

Greenside Bunker Shots 

• 10 out of 10 out of bunker to a distance of about 30 feet 
• Hit 5 out of 10 stop to within 9 feet of the hole

Approach Shots (20 - 60 yards): Hit 4 of 10 to within 11 feet of the hole

• 30-yard pitch and run to the cup. [ … to back pin]
• 30 yard floater, various lengths (<30 yds)
• Ladder drill … low spinning pitch (vary trajectory), 5 ea

Full Swing: 

• 50-yard pitch to the cup. [Driving wedge w/spin]* , use as a warm up
• Hit 2 balls with every iron (SW - 3H); land and stop on the green
• Hit 4 balls with every wood (5W - 3W); hit 3 of 4 GIR or nGIR
• Hit 6 balls with the driver; Hit 4 out of 6 in the fairway at 250+ yds

That's not really "practice" the way I think of it. That's just hitting balls.

[Vespidae]

58 minutes ago, iacas said:

That's not really "practice" the way I think of it. That's just hitting balls.

It's right out of LSW. 

[iacas]

1 minute ago, Vespidae said:

It's right out of LSW. 

65/20/15 is. I don't know where this came from (as an example):

13 hours ago, Vespidae said:

Putting

• Make 10 out of 10 of your 3 foot putts 
• Make 5 out of 10 of your 8 foot putts
• Make 3 out of 10 of your 15 foot putts

[Vespidae]

Do you want me to cite each page? I can. 

[iacas]

Just now, Vespidae said:

Do you want me to cite each page? I can. 

Go for it.

Here's what you're missing:

• Stats on make percentages aren't the way to practice, they're the way you assess your level so you have a clue what to practice.
• The whole "Small Successes" chapter.
• The idea that practicing by just hitting shots or putts is not the way to practice. For putting specifically, and as an example, "Read, Bead, and Speed" we advise you to work on separately. It doesn't often involve just making putts.
• I'll stop for now… but I think you're missing the boat on this.

[Vespidae]

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

Go for it.

Here's what you're missing:

• Stats on make percentages aren't the way to practice, they're the way you assess your level so you have a clue what to practice.
• The whole "Small Successes" chapter.
• The idea that practicing by just hitting shots or putts is not the way to practice. For putting specifically, and as an example, "Read, Bead, and Speed" we advise you to work on separately. It doesn't often involve just making putts.
• I'll stop for now… but I think you're missing the boat on this.

I’m sorry I wasted your time. I literally took the stats from each section of LSW and converted them from percentage to shots. 

I’ll ask my pro. Thanks for your input. 

[iacas]

1 minute ago, Vespidae said:

I’m sorry I wasted your time.

You didn't. I'm trying to stop you from spending your time in a wasteful sort of way.

1 minute ago, Vespidae said:

I literally took the stats from each section of LSW and converted them from percentage to shots.

Stats aren't "how to practice." They're "how to assess what you need to practice."

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You're a 15. You're probably not going to make 5 out of 10 8-footers, and if you do, it's because you'll have been hitting a bunch of similar 8-footers. So why try to just do that, likely re-hitting the same few 8-footers over and over again? Work on whichever of Read, Bead, and Speed you are worst at.

[Vespidae]

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

You didn't. I'm trying to stop you from spending your time in a wasteful sort of way.

Stats aren't "how to practice." They're "how to assess what you need to practice."

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You're a 15. You're probably not going to make 5 out of 10 8-footers, and if you do, it's because you'll have been hitting a bunch of similar 8-footers. So why try to just do that, likely re-hitting the same few 8-footers over and over again? Work on whichever of Read, Bead, and Speed you are worst at.

Thank you. 

[ChiTown]

34 minutes ago, Vespidae said:

It's right out of LSW. 

Hey @Vespidae what’s LSW?  Sorry. Newbie to the group here. 

[iacas]

1 minute ago, ChiTown said:

Hey @Vespidae what’s LSW?  Sorry. Newbie to the group here. 

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[Vespidae]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

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See above. 

[ChiTown]

9 hours ago, Vespidae said:

See above. 

Ah! Thanks.

[klineka]

26 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

Ah! Thanks.

Also just an FYI, if there is an acronym or phrase on here that has the little dots underneath it like LSW does, if you're on a computer and hover over that it tells you what it stands for.

[saevel25]

Practicing needs to always have a goal in mind, and a process to reach that goal. 

If I were to work on left to right putts (which I need to do more than right to left). I would set up a way to check my alignment, and check if I am starting the ball on the correct line. While hitting putts, I will grade each putt. Did I strike it well (heel, toe, center)? Did, I start it online? Did it go good speed? I wouldn't even care if the putt is made or not. 

 

 

[ChiTown]

29 minutes ago, klineka said:

Also just an FYI, if there is an acronym or phrase on here that has the little dots underneath it like LSW does, if you're on a computer and hover over that it tells you what it stands for.

Good to know