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2012 PGA Championship at Kiawah Island Ocean Course Thread

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I played there in July. It'll be interesting. I'll have a write-up soon.

The pairings are out:

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/aug/03/pga-championship-pairings-and-tee-times/

1st tee (Thursday), 10th tee (Friday)

7:20 a.m., 12:30 p.m.: Kelly Mitchum, D.A. Points, Marcel Siem

7:30 a.m., 12:40 p.m.: John Senden, Ken Duke, Michael Frye

7:40 a.m., 12:50 p.m.: Greg Chalmers, Spencer Levin, Michael Thompson

7:50 a.m., 1 p.m.: Thomas Bjorn, Robert Garrigus, Charley Hoffman

8 a.m., 1:10 p.m.: Lucas Glover, Ben Curtis, Trevor Immelman

8:10 a.m., 1:20 p.m.: Scott Stallings, Jeev Milkha Singh, Johnson Wagner

8:20 a.m., 1:30 p.m.: Shaun Micheel, David Toms, John Daly

8:30 a.m., 1:40 p.m.: Bernd Wiesberger, Ryan Palmer, Robert Karlsson

8:40 a.m., 1:50 p.m.: Alvaro Quiros, Cameron Tringale, Ryan Moore

8:50 a.m., 2 p.m.: Tommy Gainey, Jason Day, Carl Pettersson

9 a.m., 2:10 p.m.: Mike Small, Brian Davis, John Huh

9:10 a.m., 2:20 p.m.: Sean O'Hair, Brian Cairns, Seung-Yul Noh

9:20 a.m., 2:30 p.m.: Ben Crane, Marty Jertson, Thongchai Jaidee

• • •

10th tee (Thursday), 1st tee (Friday)

7:20 a.m., 12:30 p.m.: Matteo Manassero, Charles Howell III, Mark Brown

7:30 a.m., 12:40 p.m.: Pat Perez, Corey Prugh, Martin Laird

7:40 a.m., 12:50 p.m.: Toru Taniguchi, Rory Sabbatini, Rafael Cabrera-Bello

7:50 a.m., 1 p.m.: Jose Maria Olazabal, Branden Grace, Matt Dobyns

8 a.m., 1:10 p.m.: Darren Clarke, Ryo Ishikawa, Gary Woodland

8:10 a.m., 1:20 p.m.: Dustin Johnson, Rory McIlroy, Jim Furyk

8:20 a.m., 1:30 p.m.: Jason Dufner, Paul Casey, Geoff Ogilvy

8:30 a.m., 1:40 p.m.: Keegan Bradley , Martin Kaymer, Tiger Woods

8:40 a.m., 1:50 p.m.: Louis Oosthuizen, Ian Poulter, Steve Stricker

8:50 a.m., 2 p.m.: Lee Westwood, Bill Haas, Angel Cabrera

9 a.m., 2:10 p.m.: Stewart Cink, Peter Hanson, Tim Clark

9:10 a.m., 2:20 p.m.: Jeff Coston, Bud Cauley, Robert Rock

9:20 a.m., 2:30 p.m.: Joost Luiten, Alan Morin, Thomas Aiken

• • •

1st tee (Thursday), 10th tee (Friday)

12:30 p.m., 7:20 a.m.: Gonzalo Fernandez-Castano, George McNeill, Frank Bensel

12:40 p.m., 7:30 a.m.: Brendon de Jonge, Danny Balin, Hiroyuki Fujita

12:50 p.m., 7:40 a.m.: John Rollins, Kyle Stanley, Francesco Molinari

1 p.m., 7:50 a.m.: Charl Schwartzel, Rickie Fowler, Nicolas Colsaerts

1:10 p.m., 8 a.m.: Hunter Mahan, Adam Scott, Sergio Garcia

1:20 p.m., 8:10 a.m.: Bubba Watson, Webb Simpson, Ernie Els

1:30 p.m., 8:20 a.m.: Luke Donald, Brandt Snedeker, Zach Johnson

1:40 p.m., 8:30 a.m.: Padraig Harrington , Phil Mickelson , Davis Love III

1:50 p.m., 8:40 a.m.: Scott Piercy, Graeme McDowell, Matt Kuchar

2 p.m., 8:50 a.m.: Justin Rose, Paul Lawrie, Nick Watney

2:10 p.m., 9 a.m.: K.J. Choi, Simon Dyson, Scott Verplank

2:20 p.m., 9:10 a.m.: Mitch Lowe, Jeff Overton, Blake Adams

2:30 p.m., 9:20 a.m.: TBD, Paul Scaletta , Robert Allenby

• • •

10th tee (Thursday), 1st tee (Friday)

12:30 p.m., 7:20 a.m.: Bryce Molder, Matt Every, Bob Sowards

12:40 p.m., 7:30 a.m.: Sang Moon Bae, Darrell Kestner, David Lynn

12:50 p.m., 7:40 a.m.: Marcus Fraser, Jamie Donaldson, Doug Wade

1 p.m., 7:50 a.m.: Jonathan Byrd, Anders Hansen, Aaron Baddeley

1:10 p.m., 8 a.m.: Thorbjorn Olesen, Fredrik Jacobson, Jimmy Walker

1:20 p.m., 8:10 a.m.: Miguel Angel Jimenez, K.T. Kim, Bo Van Pelt

1:30 p.m., 8:20 a.m.: Y.E. Yang, Rich Beem, Vijay Singh

1:40 p.m., 8:30 a.m.: Charlie Wi, Pablo Larrazabal, Chez Reavie

1:50 p.m., 8:40 a.m.: Retief Goosen, Mark Brooks, Roger Chapman

2 p.m., 8:50 a.m.: Alexander Noren, Mark Wilson, George Coetzee

2:10 p.m., 9 a.m.: Marc Leishman, Ted Potter, Jr., Brian Gaffney

2:20 p.m., 9:10 a.m.: Michael Hoey, Kevin Na, Rod Perry

2:30 p.m., 9:20 a.m.: Brendan Jones, Bill Murchison, TBD

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I was surprised some talking head on Golf Channel this weekend said if the wind doesn't blow (the extended forecast shows fairly benign conditions if they can predict that far ahead of time), the winning score will be ten under or better.

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Great, that means Tiger will bring his wind game just like he did for the British Open
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I might as well point out right now that out of Tiger Woods' 74 PGA Tour victories, only one of them has been on a Pete Dye-designed course.

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At the PGA, Tiger needs to finish: -- solo 4th to go over $100 million in official career earnings. -- solo 3rd, with cooperation from Luke and Rory, to become #1 in the world rankings. -- first, to make his critics shut up for a few days.
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Who the hell cares about Tiger?  Really!.. Dudes!..  I"m just hoping for a fun and exciting tourney where most everyone plays well.. MORE GOLF, and less BS from the media is my hope from the PGA Championship..

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Originally Posted by brocks

At the PGA, Tiger needs to finish:

-- solo 4th to go over $100 million in official career earnings.

-- solo 3rd, with cooperation from Luke and Rory, to become #1 in the world rankings.

-- first, to make his critics shut up for a few days.

You think that'll get him a FEW days? :) Unless he closes with a 63 I'm pretty sure some people will find fault in something he does Sunday night. And even with a 63 it's even money. :)

Originally Posted by ThominOH

Who the hell cares about Tiger?

The majority of people in golf. You can hate Tiger all you want but to say things like that you're just exposing yourself as a guy that's completely unaware of the world around him. Just because you don't like or care about the guy doesn't change the reality - he's the only needle-mover in the game.

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Who the hell cares about Tiger?

I loves me some Tiger.

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Overdue for a major win: Steve Stricker--plays well when conditions are mild and clock is ticking (45yo) Lee Westwood--game is too inconsistent for this course Matt Kuchar--He lives on St. Simons Island, so should be comfortable at Kiawah All that said, I think Duffner will finish on top.
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Erik, what part of the game does Kiawah test the most? I've heard that it will be the sort game as a lot of greens will be missed. What are your thoughts on what kind of player will do well on this course?

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Originally Posted by MSchott

Erik, what part of the game does Kiawah test the most? I've heard that it will be the sort game as a lot of greens will be missed. What are your thoughts on what kind of player will do well on this course?

Driving and hitting greens if the winds are up. The greens are small so they'll be a factor regardless, but I don't know that the course will play all that long. The course doesn't ever seem to get really firm.

Putting is weird. The greens will be slower than usual (paspalum) and they're overall pretty flat in most places, so reads will be difficult. Believe it or not but flat greens are sometimes the toughest to putt. But I don't know if this favors anyone - there are good putters but they can have bad weeks, especially if they never get the reads quite right.

The "bunkers" will be interesting since they're being played as through the green.

It's a Dye course, so in the end - wind or not - you've simply gotta hit targets. That will mean playing away from the hole on a lot of the holes where it can be tucked and playing for pars, and being aggressive (or making some longer putts) when it makes sense for birdies.

The course is seaside but plays absolutely nothing like a links course.

I'll have my full article up (though it's more about how fun it is to vacation there than an exposé on the course) later tonight.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Driving and hitting greens if the winds are up. The greens are small so they'll be a factor regardless, but I don't know that the course will play all that long. The course doesn't ever seem to get really firm.

Putting is weird. The greens will be slower than usual (paspalum) and they're overall pretty flat in most places, so reads will be difficult. Believe it or not but flat greens are sometimes the toughest to putt. But I don't know if this favors anyone - there are good putters but they can have bad weeks, especially if they never get the reads quite right.

The "bunkers" will be interesting since they're being played as through the green.

It's a Dye course, so in the end - wind or not - you've simply gotta hit targets. That will mean playing away from the hole on a lot of the holes where it can be tucked and playing for pars, and being aggressive (or making some longer putts) when it makes sense for birdies.

The course is seaside but plays absolutely nothing like a links course.

I'll have my full article up (though it's more about how fun it is to vacation there than an exposé on the course) later tonight.


Thanks Erik. The comment I heard (on CBS I believe), said if the winds are up it will be hard to hit the greens and thus the short game will be very important.

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Play begins at 7:20 AM; TV coverage begins at 1 PM. Why does the PGA give the TV contract to a network that's going to show less than half the play? This isn't the BC Open, it's the final major of the year, with possibly the strongest field in history (the last I heard, they have all of the top 108 in the world there, which I don't think has happened before -- usually somebody is injured), in a spectacular setting. ESPN had over ten hours of live coverage on Thursday and Friday for the British Open, even though a lot of it was in the middle of the night. Yet TNT only has 6 hours a day live for the PGA. I want my money back.
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Who says it's the PGA limiting coverage? Maybe TNT doesn't want to cover more than six hours a day.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Driving and hitting greens if the winds are up. The greens are small so they'll be a factor regardless, but I don't know that the course will play all that long. The course doesn't ever seem to get really firm.

Putting is weird. The greens will be slower than usual (paspalum) and they're overall pretty flat in most places, so reads will be difficult. Believe it or not but flat greens are sometimes the toughest to putt. But I don't know if this favors anyone - there are good putters but they can have bad weeks, especially if they never get the reads quite right.

The "bunkers" will be interesting since they're being played as through the green.

It's a Dye course, so in the end - wind or not - you've simply gotta hit targets. That will mean playing away from the hole on a lot of the holes where it can be tucked and playing for pars, and being aggressive (or making some longer putts) when it makes sense for birdies.

The course is seaside but plays absolutely nothing like a links course.

I'll have my full article up (though it's more about how fun it is to vacation there than an exposé on the course) later tonight.

in my opinion if there is little wind -10 won't be enough to win. lets hope it blows 25 MPH!!

Took a trip there a couple years ago, it is a nice island but all we did was golf!!

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Originally Posted by colin007

Hey Erik, is that article up yet?

It was briefly, but I had to send it to the guys there for the once-over (factual review - not a lot of facts, so even though it's long, it shouldn't TAKE too long).

Here are some pictures. The "k" ones are all of the images, and the "ki" ones are duplicates but the better ones I used in the article. The "k" ones are pretty much in order, though, so you can "walk around" the Ocean Course and some of Turtle Point.

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