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Who do you think will see more improvement. Some lowcappers being able to drive greens, or hackers having less fat or thin shots to get it into the hole?  Im pretty interested to see how this plays out. I sure hope it helps out as erik hoped. I havent broke 80 but have shot 81 a few times. I hope it helps put me there.

I read a book once, 'Breaking 80', that you might be interested in picking up. It isn't full of swing tips or technique talk, but rather it focuses on simplifying one's thought process during a round and getting (and staying) in the mindset that helps break through barriers like breaking 80. It was written by a former tennis player who took up golf and wanted to improve without playing or practicing a lot. He ultimately decided that breaking 80 was the mark of a reasonably decent golfer, so that became his goal. I think he did it it less than a year. He was also a former tennis instructor and tried to port some of his tennisinstruction techniques to his own golf game. Right before I hit my approach on 18 the day I broke 80 for the first time on a par 72 course, I thought about what he'd written. It sure helped me put a good swing on the ball that day. Best of luck.

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i'll join in and represent the highest of handicappers around these parts:

Course Name : Majestic Oaks (Crossroads Course)

Course Website : http://www.majesticoaksgc.com/sites/courses/layout9.asp?id=1187&page;=71831

Course Style : mostly open, a few wooded holes, and several forced carries off the men's tees

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5879/69.4/126 (from the middle tees)

Regular Tee Average Score : 110-120

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 4848/68.9/122

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 110

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 100

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Course Name : Friendly Meadows Golf Club

Course Website : http://friendlymeadowsgolf.com/

Course Style : wooded, somewhat narrow

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6620 / 72 / 129

Regular Tee Average Score : 77

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 4643 / 67.5 / 114

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 68

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) :70
Seems like a cool idea.  I will have to play my two rounds tomorrow but I will wait to post my results once the thread is created.
I think the biggest advantage in playing the most forward tees is the par 3's.  My course has 3 of the 4 par 3's playing around 200 yards.  I don't think that playing conservative will help me to much because the worst part of my game is putting.  Being aggressive will help because I will be on the green with two putts to have a birdie.

Originally Posted by LovinItAll

I read a book once, 'Breaking 80', that you might be interested in picking up. It isn't full of swing tips or technique talk, but rather it focuses on simplifying one's thought process during a round and getting (and staying) in the mindset that helps break through barriers like breaking 80. It was written by a former tennis player who took up golf and wanted to improve without playing or practicing a lot. He ultimately decided that breaking 80 was the mark of a reasonably decent golfer, so that became his goal. I think he did it it less than a year. He was also a former tennis instructor and tried to port some of his tennisinstruction techniques to his own golf game. Right before I hit my approach on 18 the day I broke 80 for the first time on a par 72 course, I thought about what he'd written. It sure helped me put a good swing on the ball that day.

Best of luck.

Ill look into that if little expirement doesnt help.

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Course Name : Pierz Municipal GC

Course Website :

Course Style : Hilly, open or wooded depending on hole

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope :  3018 / 34.6 / 110

Regular Tee Average Score : 96

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 2395 / 31.9 / 104

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 87

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 83

Course Name : Limekiln Golf Club White

Course Website : www.limegolf.com

Course Style : Parkland style, fairly wide open with a mixture of mounding, bunkers and trees.

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope :  3090 / 34.5 / 127

Regular Tee Average Score : 84

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 2789 / 33.9 / 121

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 80

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Course Name : The Links at Carillon

Course Website : http://carillongolf.com/

Course Style : Links /open

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : Blue tees 6409, Red/White course 70.6/124

Regular Tee Average Score : 81

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : green tees 5491,  66.4/112

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) :  74

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 77

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Course Name : Redgate Golf Course

Course Website: http://www.redgategolf.com

Course Style : Hills

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6002/68.9/126

Regular Tee Average Score : 87

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5179/65.6/122

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 80

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 82

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Course Name: Wilderness Ridge

Course Website: www. wildernessridge golf.com/

Course Style: Long, windy, and pretty open.


Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 6518/ 72.6/132

Regular Tee Average Score: 80

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 5097/ 71.0/122

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round): 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round): 72


Course Name : Tobacco Road

Course Website : www.tobaccoroadgolf.com

Course Style : Penal, lots of sand, deep rough

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5886/68.6/131

Regular Tee Average Score : 96

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 4946/66.1/115

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 88

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 88

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Originally Posted by bigwave916

Course Name: Tobacco Road

Course Website: www.tobaccoroadgolf.com

Course Style: Penal, lots of sand, deep rough

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 5886/68.6/131

Regular Tee Average Score: 96

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 4946/66.1/115

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round): 88

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round): 88

Tough course, but a lot of fun to play if like a challenge. You're lucky to be so close to it!


It is a lot of fun to play especially with travelers who have never seen it before.

I'm very interested in this experiment because I wouldn't think of playing the "cultivator" tees at the Road, but I'm thinking that eliminating the forced carries on 1, 2, 10, 13, 15, & 18 will probably be worth 2 or 3 strokes. The par 5s are going to be reachable in 2 without the risk of being down in some hellacious bunker/waste area. The par 3s are already short except #8 and it's going to be a lot easier. I figure 10 strokes better from the forward tees whether I play aggressively or conservatively.

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I honestly think I'd burn up the course from the red (ladies) tees at my course and have always thought this, would be an interesting experiment but my club is quite snotty and could imagine them being disgruntled if a young chap like myself was to be bombing off the ladies tees all day. Also as an aside in the UK we don't use this rating/slope for courses or at least I couldn't find it for my course online, can anyone shed any light on this?

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Originally Posted by xSmithy

I honestly think I'd burn up the course from the red (ladies) tees at my course and have always thought this, would be an interesting experiment but my club is quite snotty and could imagine them being disgruntled if a young chap like myself was to be bombing off the ladies tees all day. Also as an aside in the UK we don't use this rating/slope for courses or at least I couldn't find it for my course online, can anyone shed any light on this?

Guesstimate it if you can, please. Try it. I hope you enter the experiment.

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Course Name : Sun Prairie Golf Course

Course Website : http://www.sunprairiegolfcourse.com/index.html

Course Style : Wooded, few traps, narrow fairways, fairly short

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 6658 / 71.3 /117

Regular Tee Average Score: 87

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope :

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 80

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 82

Originally Posted by iacas

Guesstimate it if you can, please. Try it. I hope you enter the experiment.

I would love to get involved, no doubt my youthful exuberance/confidence would be caught out and I would shoot somewhere around what I usually do from the back tees but unfortunately I move away for a job next week and therefore my time on the course is limited.

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Course Name : Pipestone Golf Club

Course Website : http://www.pipestonegolf.com

Course Style : Hills, Turning fairways, Fast Greens, fairly wide open

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6580/ 70.1/ 131

Regular Tee Average Score : 78

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5145/ 65.0/ 114

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 70

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 76

I haven`t finalized which of two possible courses I will play, but the yardage diff will either be 5842 vs 5582 or 5359 vs 4762.

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Originally Posted by teeitup22

Course Name: Wilderness Ridge

Course Website: www.wildernessridgegolf.com/

Course Style: Long, windy, and pretty open.

Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 6518/ 72.6/132

Regular Tee Average Score: 80

Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope: 5097/ 71.0/122

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round): 76

Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round): 72

Are we suppose to use the ladies rating/slope or an estimate of what the men`s rating/slope would be?  Looks like 5097 is the women`s tees and likely their rating/slope as it is only 1.6 strokes less with a 1400+ yard drop in distance??  Can`t see the rating/slope on the online card, so maybe I have it wrong.

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