Jack Nicklaus Endorses Romney, Mitt calls Jack “Greatest athlete of the 20th century.”

[David in FL]

A rich guy endorsing the Republican candidate. I'm shocked.

By "rich guy" if you mean "successful entrepreneur who earned his money through his own hard work and perseverance. Who now employs thousands of people as a direct result of that success", I agree!

[zipazoid]

Well, that too, but rich white guys, by and large, are Republicans.

I'm not in any way disparaging what Jack has done. Just saying it does not surprise me in the least he would support the Republican candidate.

[LuciusWooding]

Originally Posted by Stewie007

Arguing politics is like walking into a door expecting that at that very moment all of your atoms will perfectly align their electrons with the door so that you may pass straight on through.

It is about that useless.

And, by the way, the probability of walking through a door or wall is NOT zero....... Just really really really close.

Plus your opponent, symbolized by the door, probably doesn't understand or believe in quantum theory.

I'd say your chances of making it through the door are about 47%.

[David in FL]

Well, that too, but rich white guys, by and large, are Republicans.  I'm not in any way disparaging what Jack has done. Just saying it does not surprise me in the least he would support the Republican candidate.

Me neither. Successful entrepreneurs, like Jack tend to support those that celebrate and encourage that success. Those that recognize their enormous contribution to others in the form of the jobs they provide and the millions of dollars they contribute to the economy.

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by David in FL

Me neither.

Successful entrepreneurs, like Jack tend to support those that celebrate and encourage that success. Those that recognize their enormous contribution to others in the form of the jobs they provide and the millions of dollars they contribute to the economy.

That sound wonderful, David, but it's actually more simple than that. Rich people vote Republican cuz they don't want to pay more in taxes.

Generally speaking, of course. They may have other reasons as well. But first & foremost, Repubs support lower taxes for the wealthy. So of course the Jack Nicklauses of the word would support that.

[caniac6]

I do believe Jesse Owens went to Ohio State, so that would make Jack not even the best of the 20th century that went to Ohio State.

[LuciusWooding]

Originally Posted by David in FL

Me neither.

Successful entrepreneurs, like Jack tend to support those that celebrate and encourage that success. Those that recognize their enormous contribution to others in the form of the jobs they provide and the millions of dollars they contribute to the economy.

Jobs they provide= people they can't afford to fire without losing money, most of which are overseas

Millions they contribute to the economy= millions of dollars they spend on themselves or hoard in foreign bank accounts

You don't see Arnold Palmer stepping into it. And he's no doubt made millions off his soft drink entrepreneurship.

[newtogolf]

Republicans believe in smaller government and less entitlements.  As a result of smaller government and less entitlements the government needs less money to run and thus the tax burden for everyone can be lowered.

The misnomer democrats have about taxing business owners is if you make them pay more taxes, they will, and it will not affect the economy.  A business owner who's forced to pay more taxes will not take the financial hit, they will raise their prices, layoff staff, eliminate benefits, freeze salaries, etc which ultimately hurts the economy more than any benefit the additional tax income provided.

Originally Posted by zipazoid

That sound wonderful, David, but it's actually more simple than that. Rich people vote Republican cuz they don't want to pay more in taxes.

Generally speaking, of course. They may have other reasons as well. But first & foremost, Repubs support lower taxes for the wealthy. So of course the Jack Nicklauses of the word would support that.

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by newtogolf

Republicans believe in smaller government and less entitlements.  As a result of smaller government and less entitlements the government needs less money to run and thus the tax burden for everyone can be lowered.

The misnomer democrats have about taxing business owners is if you make them pay more taxes, they will, and it will not affect the economy.  A business owner who's forced to pay more taxes will not take the financial hit, they will raise their prices, layoff staff, eliminate benefits, freeze salaries, etc which ultimately hurts the economy more than any benefit the additional tax income provided.

All well and good, but I'm not disputing who/what Republicans are & what they stand for.

I'm just saying that rich people tend to vote Republican due to lower taxes. People vote with their wallet.

And to keep the thread from getting too far oof track, I'll just repeat - it doesn't surprise me that Jack Nicklaus would support a Republican.

[newtogolf]

It doesn't surprise me that any successful professional athlete or business owner would support a Republican from a fiscal policy perspective.

Originally Posted by zipazoid

And to keep the thread from getting too far oof track, I'll just repeat - it doesn't surprise me that Jack Nicklaus would support a Republican.

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by newtogolf

It doesn't surprise me that any successful professional athlete or business owner would support a Republican from a fiscal policy perspective.

...and lower taxes perspective. People aren't as enlightened as you think them to be. They vote with their wallets.

[newtogolf]

I agree, ultimately the parties platforms are reduced to:  Republicans = lower taxes, less entitlements,  Democrats = higher taxes, larger entitlements.

Originally Posted by zipazoid

...and lower taxes perspective. People aren't as enlightened as you think them to be. They vote with their wallets.

[LuciusWooding]

Originally Posted by newtogolf

The misnomer democrats have about taxing business owners is if you make them pay more taxes, they will, and it will not affect the economy.  A business owner who's forced to pay more taxes will not take the financial hit, they will raise their prices, layoff staff, eliminate benefits, freeze salaries, etc which ultimately hurts the economy more than any benefit the additional tax income provided.

A misnomer refers to something incorrectly or misleadingly named. You mean misconception, misapprehension, etc.

While I agree there's something to this argument in reality, it's telling that business owners can threaten our government and hold workers hostage, not because they're losing money, but because they want to make even more money. They try to make it seem like Uncle Sam is the one laying off workers by not appeasing them. It's sort of like a 2 year old having a temper tantrum. They act like tax evasion is the government's fault for taxing so much, and that it's their right to cheat and get away with it instead of a responsibility to follow the spirit of the law.

If you want to talk about entitlement, start at the top. Bailouts and incentives and tax cuts are worse than welfare and they totally fly in the face of the vaunted American Dream. The dream is now to be so rich that you can never go broke no matter how much you gamble.

Now I can agree with some aspects of conservative economics, but the business owners won't do what's best for their workers. You can tax them or not, they will not operate differently. A business owner will never make enough money to feel secure. A government, however, MIGHT be able to operate in the public interest at least some of the time. I'd rather the government have my tax money than the businesses. Neither is perfect, but the businessmen sure as hell aren't sharing it. Some billionaires become philanthropists, but still sit on 30 billion worth of assets like a dragon sleeping on a pile of coins. Does it do them any good to have so very much? Not really. Would they cry like a 2 year old if you tried to take a dime of it? Hell yes.

You can't enforce incentives, you can enforce taxes (to the best of your ability). Would you trust business owners to voluntarily pay taxes? That's essentially what they claim will happen if you give them tax breaks. I would trust prison inmates with a 3 year old child before I trust these people with my money.

I totally respect anyone who fairly pays taxes, and they're all entitled to an opinion and a vote. Democrat or Republican, none of us are benefitting much from this argument though.

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by newtogolf

I agree, ultimately the parties platforms are reduced to:  Republicans = lower taxes, less entitlements,  Democrats = higher taxes, larger entitlements.

That might be how a Republican would characterize the Democratic platform, but I doubt many democrats would agree with that label.

[newtogolf]

These posts should get moved as they are off topic.

I don't disagree with you, most business owners took on a substantial risk to start their business, and retain that risk in the form of frivilous lawsuits, workers comp claims, etc so they are protective of their fair share of the revenue.

I'm a business owner and I'd gladly agree to a universal flat tax of whatever the democrats wanted as long as everyone paid the same percentage.  I'd like nothing more than to see the huge bureacracy called the IRS go away.  Imagine how simple filing taxes would be, no more H&R; Block, no more audits.  You simply take whats on your W-2 and apply the flat tax and you're done.

If you think either side of the government is interested in what's best for us you're mistaken.  These guys only care about themselves and their respective party members.

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A misnomer refers to something incorrectly or misleadingly named. You mean misconception, misapprehension, etc.

While I agree there's something to this argument in reality, it's telling that business owners can threaten our government and hold workers hostage, not because they're losing money, but because they want to make even more money. They try to make it seem like Uncle Sam is the one laying off workers by not appeasing them. It's sort of like a 2 year old having a temper tantrum. They act like tax evasion is the government's fault for taxing so much, and that it's their right to cheat and get away with it instead of a responsibility to follow the spirit of the law.

If you want to talk about entitlement, start at the top. Bailouts and incentives and tax cuts are worse than welfare and they totally fly in the face of the vaunted American Dream. The dream is now to be so rich that you can never go broke no matter how much you gamble.

Now I can agree with some aspects of conservative economics, but the business owners won't do what's best for their workers. You can tax them or not, they will not operate differently. A business owner will never make enough money to feel secure. A government, however, MIGHT be able to operate in the public interest at least some of the time. I'd rather the government have my tax money than the businesses. Neither is perfect, but the businessmen sure as hell aren't sharing it. Some billionaires become philanthropists, but still sit on 30 billion worth of assets like a dragon sleeping on a pile of coins. Does it do them any good to have so very much? Not really. Would they cry like a 2 year old if you tried to take a dime of it? Hell yes.

You can't enforce incentives, you can enforce taxes (to the best of your ability). Would you trust business owners to voluntarily pay taxes? That's essentially what they claim will happen if you give them tax breaks. I would trust prison inmates with a 3 year old child before I trust these people with my money.

I totally respect anyone who fairly pays taxes, and they're all entitled to an opinion and a vote. Democrat or Republican, none of us are benefitting much from this argument though.

[evan01]

Do you believe that some  in public housing for 20 years has an EBT card, food stamps, free schooling for the kids throw in  free breakfast lunch and dinner at school is trying very hard to get off the dole?  Do they stop having children we can not afford fathers that leave in the morning and never come back.  This country is going down fast and entitlements are the driving force!

[zipazoid]

(sigh)...time to move the thread...

[Mr. Desmond]

Wait a few days, Mitt will flip on Jack.

So, Mitt is a sports idiot.

That's okay.

Now let's move past all this - anyway, Mitt doesn't play golf - so no golf, no vote.