My Swing (logman)

[logman]

I've been Playing Golf for: Fricken ages

My current handicap index or average score is: 8ish

My typical ball flight is: High

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: Tempo speed up

Hi, some videos

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Videos:

[logman]

I should have added, sorry about the video quality but it gives people the idea about the single axis/ bent front arm/ big grip concoction I've been working on. So as for the wrists, there's very little in the way of loading/lag or cocking. And as for distance, the line of trees in the distance has a 250 meter marker right on the fence.....I'm standing right infront of it. The top vid was taken tonight with a slight following breeze and heavy rain. My best hit the back fence on the fly and the rest were first bounce or second bounce into it.

Anyway I'm really encouraged by my progress with this style. Sure, plenty of little things....well not really , a couple of big things. Tempo.....I just get faster and faster at the range. And trying to keep my weight balanced.

[Ernest Jones]

Kudos for posting this. I never thought you would. That is most definitely NOT a classic swing! How does it perform with an iron off the deck? To my, extremely uneducated, eye it looks like the contact would be more on the "sweepy" side and perform better off a tee. Do you have to make any adjustments for iron shots? What about deep rough?

[Golfingdad]

Yes, kudos!  I now see the swing.  I see the grip and I see the bent front arm.  And I see some pretty good balance considering the tempo.

(I'll leave it up to those with expertise and good software to breakdown the wrist action :))

Well done.

[colin007]

props for posting.

[logman]

[logman]

Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

Kudos for posting this. I never thought you would. That is most definitely NOT a classic swing!

How does it perform with an iron off the deck? To my, extremely uneducated, eye it looks like the contact would be more on the "sweepy" side and perform better off a tee. Do you have to make any adjustments for iron shots? What about deep rough?

Yes it's kinda freaky!!

yeah irons are more swept than hit down on. So the ball flight is high and backspin seems to be very high(for me) but I've discovered that if I play a 3/4 shot the ball goes about the same length but much lower.

The Iron swing and blue shafted driver swings were shot near the end of a bucket of 100 and I was getting a bit ragged and fast......but it gives the idea

[jamo]

This one's set as private.

[Mordan]

Originally Posted by logman

I should have added, sorry about the video quality but it gives people the idea about the single axis/ bent front arm/ big grip concoction I've been working on. So as for the wrists, there's very little in the way of loading/lag or cocking. And as for distance, the line of trees in the distance has a 250 meter marker right on the fence.....I'm standing right infront of it. The top vid was taken tonight with a slight following breeze and heavy rain. My best hit the back fence on the fly and the rest were first bounce or second bounce into it.

I'm not sure I'd agree that there's very little wrist cock. Certainly less than most but far from little or none.

[logman]

[Righty to Lefty]

You generate a bunch of speed for sure!  I think its gonna be hard to "slow" your self down because you have to generate your speed in a very short period of time and you do for sure have less wrist cock than most so I bet you will have to work really hard to not feel rushed with your technique! If it works for you...roll with it!

[iacas]

Wrist cock:

Less than most, but you can earn a living on the PGA Tour with that kind of wrist cock.

Aside from the bent arm and the horrible weight forward (I'm sure many here would love to see you hitting some irons off grass), your swing looks a lot more like a "traditional" or "conventional" golf swing than you would likely believe.

Seriously, if you showed the silhouette on the left to virtually anyone, they'd see a "normal" golf swing.

In fact, given all of this, I could easily make a case for the fact that your golf swing is more difficult than the "normal" golf swing because you're adding another lever - your lead arm's bent elbow - to the mix. That can add power but it can also increase the need for timing.

[JetFan1983]

Thanks for finally posting. I never thought this day would come. And yea, you are cocking your wrists.

Originally Posted by iacas

Wrist cock:

Less than most, but you can earn a living on the PGA Tour with that kind of wrist cock.

Aside from the bent arm and the horrible weight forward (I'm sure many here would love to see you hitting some irons off grass), your swing looks a lot more like a "traditional" or "conventional" golf swing than you would likely believe.

Seriously, if you showed the silhouette on the left to virtually anyone, they'd see a "normal" golf swing.

In fact, given all of this, I could easily make a case for the fact that your golf swing is more difficult than the "normal" golf swing because you're adding another lever - your lead arm's bent elbow - to the mix. That can add power but it can also increase the need for timing.

Exactly.

[logman]

Originally Posted by iacas

Wrist cock:

Less than most, but you can earn a living on the PGA Tour with that kind of wrist cock.

Aside from the bent arm and the horrible weight forward (I'm sure many here would love to see you hitting some irons off grass), your swing looks a lot more like a "traditional" or "conventional" golf swing than you would likely believe.

Seriously, if you showed the silhouette on the left to virtually anyone, they'd see a "normal" golf swing.

In fact, given all of this, I could easily make a case for the fact that your golf swing is more difficult than the "normal" golf swing because you're adding another lever - your lead arm's bent elbow - to the mix. That can add power but it can also increase the need for timing.

That's funny, So the wide stance, heel of the back foot on the ground for as long as possible, the super thick grip, baseball style hand grip, the bending of the front arm to well over 90 degrees, the small shoulder turn, the "casting" back swing, the keeping the back to the target for as long as possible etcetc are now part of the traditional golf swing are they?

And really, are you really saying I'm cocking my wrist? cause I can assure you I aint. Your little red line on the right picture shows a forearm rotation and a fully compressed elbow.....not a wrist cocking.

Anyhow you said I couldn't hit it out of my own shadow without using my wrists.......and,,,,?????

[Mordan]

Originally Posted by logman

That's funny, So the wide stance, heel of the back foot on the ground for as long as possible, the super thick grip, baseball style hand grip, the bending of the front arm to well over 90 degrees, the small shoulder turn, the "casting" back swing, the keeping the back to the target for as long as possible etcetc are now part of the traditional golf swing are they?

And really, are you really saying I'm cocking my wrist? cause I can assure you I aint. Your little red line on the right picture shows a forearm rotation and a fully compressed elbow.....not a wrist cocking.

Anyhow you said I couldn't hit it out of my own shadow without using my wrists.......and,,,,?????

That's a normal stance width, especially for hitting driver.

And the exact move I'm currently working on for my "traditional" swing with James from Evolvr is to keep my back to the target longer, and keeping my right heel down longer.

You are cocking your wrists, less than many sure, but I can't see how you can possibly think you're not. Look at your right arm, there is no way you could be gripping the club where it is if your wrist wasn't cocked. And it looks like a pretty normal shoulder turn too, if slightly restricted.

You've got a set of feels that work for you. That's great and I don't think anyone is arguing that you should change anything. Just that your feels help you make a swing that isn't really that radical or different from what most other golfers are doing.

[logman]

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Thanks for finally posting. I never thought this day would come. And yea, you are cocking your wrists.

Exactly.

Mate, I hate to break this to ya but Jack Kuykendalls LPG system relies on eliminating cocking of the front wrist. And when your(my) brain clicks into what it needs to tell the body to do and you realize that the wrist is a hindrance rather than a plus ......it's well freaky! The swing that I'm using is not a perfect example of the style as would be the case with any other golfer on here. And the swing has pros and cons. Maybe we can talk about them as well. But the 2 biggest "pros" of the swing are more power(I'm a 53 year old codger and I'm hitting the ball longer than I ever have) and Better accuracy and not just maybe a bit more accurate, alot more.

[logman]

Originally Posted by Mordan

That's a normal stance width, especially for hitting driver.

And the exact move I'm currently working on for my "traditional" swing with James from Evolvr is to keep my back to the target longer, and keeping my right heel down longer.

You are cocking your wrists, less than many sure, but I can't see how you can possibly think you're not. Look at your right arm, there is no way you could be gripping the club where it is if your wrist wasn't cocked. And it looks like a pretty normal shoulder turn too, if slightly restricted.

You've got a set of feels that work for you. That's great and I don't think anyone is arguing that you should change anything. Just that your feels help you make a swing that isn't really that radical or different from what most other golfers are doing.

Hi Mordan, I can assure you it not a set of "feels".

Just an example. On my way to the top I'm trying to keep my wrist locked and a "long "thumb trying to stop the club from getting loose and wristy. On the way down I'm trying to push my rear arm back. As hard as I can. I'm effectively trying to cast. It's not a couple of feels its a different series of movements.

[Mordan]

Originally Posted by logman

Hi Mordan, I can assure you it not a set of "feels".

Just an example. On my way to the top I'm trying to keep my wrist locked and a "long "thumb trying to stop the club from getting loose and wristy. On the way down I'm trying to push my rear arm back. As hard as I can. I'm effectively trying to cast. It's not a couple of feels its a different series of movements.

I'd call those things feels (perhaps without the quotation marks). Each of those is the sort of thing an instructor might say to their student to try and help them perform a certain move.

Because each of those descriptions will lead to different outcomes when interpreted by different people, a description of a set of movements should really be expressed in something like TGM terminology or something more mechanical.

For instance if your left wrist was actually locked, then the shaft would stay as a continuation of the line of your left forearm like it is at address. But it clearly doesn't as you can see from the still frames. Hence the old saying, "feel ain't real".